Dishwashing detergents without chemicals

[Serenity]

Serenity, Olga, I liked the idea with mustard, you need to try it when washing dishes manually))) '

Be sure to try! The dishes immediately "creak" afterwards, there is no sense that something has not been washed away.

Added on Friday 06 Jan 2017 06:15 PM

Well, yes, and then the Russian soul is waiting for how many cycles the dishwasher will wash their "flowing" dishes clean. And if the blackness has not been washed in 5 garbage dumps, then this is a bad car.)

Well, if someone brings the dishes to blackness, then, of course. But not everyone is like that.

Added on Friday 06 Jan 2017 06:18 PM

Will your sewer digest the mustard?

If the sewage system is normal, then no problem. Well, do not pour out half a pack of dry mustard and try to wash it off, and lumps may form. It is necessary without fanaticism

girls, the topic is not about pm and not pm

so - pm washes so beautifully not only from the fact that she washes with harsh * chemistry *, she washes long hot and very hot water

if you want to wash the dishes, boil these dishes in soapy water - by the way, our generation did both our mothers and grandmothers, the linen is also boiling for the same reason

after boiling, all fat and protein deposits soften, in pm per cycle, not everything is washed, after boiling everything leaves

washes for a long time with hot and very hot water

yes, therefore, say, after raw meat and fish, it is better to drive the dishes to the PMM

[In Russia, due to the absence of large deposits, soda is not extracted from minerals.]

so - pm washes so beautifully not only because she washes with harsh * chemistry *, she washes for a long time with hot and very hot water

If you wash with harsh * chemistry *, then yes - hot water is desirable. If you use relatively safe, phosphate-free environmentally friendly products, such as tablets "BioMio Bio-Total" or "Frosch All-in-One Soda", then enzymes that are effective up to 50 degrees act as active detergent components. Therefore, I use the "Eco 50" mode with such tablets. Everyday dishes are washed perfectly.
But yes, if you need to wash a fried baking sheet, then a poisonous Finish is used, or a hedgehog with it, at a high temperature.

Posted Saturday 21 Jan 2017 02:32 PM

SODA in the composition of 0.1% is a marketing ploy, sort of like we clean the dishes with soda.

Where did you find 0.1% soda there? My Frosch All-in-One Soda pack doesn’t have this. Sounds like an anti-marketing move.

Posted Saturday 21 Jan 2017 14:54

Dry mustard

Dry mustard is made industrially, from pomace (oilcake), after extraction of valuable mustard oil from mustard seeds, because of which it, in fact, is sown. For mustard powder specifically, no one sows mustard, since it will be a complete financial fiasco. You can find out more about the nuances of growing mustard by googling "growing mustard".

"Mustard is demanding on the presence of nutrients in the soil. The formation of 1 ton of seeds requires 55-60 kg of nitrogen, 20-30 kg of phosphorus and 35-60 kg of potassium."
How and in what quantity are fertilizers applied to the soil, I hope I don’t need to tell you? I saw it myself, and as a child, bags of phosphates and nitrates lying in abundant quantities in the fields, and in our time nothing has changed significantly. No fertilizers - bad, the harvest will be worthless. In the second quarter, fertilizers were shipped at the rate for the whole year - to the field. Do not rot it under a leaking canopy ...

Production ... The cake is dried, processed, crushed, dried, etc. Where is all this done? That's right - in specialized industrial containers and apparatus. What is the regular cleaning of such industrial fixed assets? In our post-soviet space, even the chief technologist will not honestly admit to you, but I swear by my mother ...

Next "Tillage
Mustard requires high-quality processing, so its preparation should be aimed at the accumulation of moisture, accelerated decomposition of plant residues, destruction of weeds and creation of a leveled and saturated soil layer at the depth of seeding. "
How do we destroy the weeds in the fields? Don't we know? Well, not with a hoe along the bed for sure ...

Nobody disputes the fact that dry mustard is a natural product. But to assert that there is absolutely no chemistry in it, I would not ...

Posted Saturday 21 Jan 2017 2:56 PM

Soda.

My first mother-in-law washed her hair exclusively with soda, that is, with natural lye. The father-in-law and the mother-in-law lived far away in a wooded canyon of a river in the Carpathian region, where there was a big problem not only with household chemicals, but even with the delivery of bread. The mother-in-law collected in a bowl of clean well heated water, poured the ash from the stove from the scoop into it, pounded it, strained it, and with this washed her hair. Her hair was simply gorgeous, but she always hid it under a scarf. Such traditions ...

Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate NaHCO3, sodium bicarbonate. Modern soda lakes are known in Transbaikalia and Western Siberia; Lake Natron in Tanzania and Lake Searles in California are well known. The throne, which is of industrial importance, was discovered in 1938 as part of the Green River Eocene sequence (Wyoming, USA).
In the USA, natural soda satisfies more than 40% of the country's need for this mineral.

In Russia, due to the absence of large deposits, soda is not extracted from minerals. The baking soda sold from the shelves of our stores and supermarkets is a product of the food chemical industry. This is when one substance is taken, and by combining it with other substances at different temperature conditions and cycles, third substances are chemically obtained. Who wants to get acquainted with the process of soda production in more detail, and find out what rubbish is used in such production, google "HISTORY, PRODUCTION TECHNOLOGIES, PROPERTIES AND APPLICATION OF BAKING SODA".

That is, our soda is the purest chemistry, there is no more chemistry. With all that it implies. And you can never argue that this snow-white powder is 100% soda, and not a composition with an admixture of anything and as much as you like, despite all the GOSTs and other regulatory documents ...

Unless you have a channel for delivering natural, natural soda from soda lakes from Transbaikalia, California, or Wyoming.

For this reason, soda has nothing to do with this thread. Well, unless you can somehow change the name of the topic, excluding chemistry from it ...

In other words, chemical-free products from store shelves in our time are utopia and self-deception. Now, if I have not seen fertilizers or other chemicals (except for the "extract" from the summer toilet) for about 50 years in my area, which I have not seen, I’ll probably grow mustard and convert it to powder myself, it will really be a product without chemicals ... But, naturally, I will not engage in such stupidity. We are completely satisfied with environmentally friendly products for PMM. What I wish you too - take care of your hands and your personal time. Life is short, and spending part of it on witchcraft with mustard and dishes is an unaffordable luxury.

[Kapet]

Kapet, multi-letters, better answer one question: do you agree to eat your ecological product for PMM and what will happen to you then?
Mustard from this very powder can be eaten (and eaten) completely safe
that's the whole story.

that's the whole story.

PPKS ..
And so, everyone is free to choose what is closer to him, and what he believes more ...

Kapet, multi-letters, better answer one question: do you agree to eat your ecological product for PMM and what will happen to you then?

You should not smear shoe polish on your skin to understand how it will affect the skin of your shoes.

You should not smear shoe polish on your skin to understand how it will affect the skin of your shoes.

So we don't eat from shoes, unlike plates and cutlery.
And I personally am not worried about how the agent will act on the plates (as your stretched analogy suggests), but how it (its possible residues on the dishes) will affect me. I reasoned logically that it is better to eat a little edible than a little inedible.

But, of course, each Arctic fox to his own happiness
Well, about cancer patients is generally out of place and out of business: the fact that you can get sick does not mean that you need to increase the number of possible risks.

Listen to the tale from cancer patients

Well, this argument is absolutely out of place.
Or do you have specific statistics of diseases when using certain detergents?
And the fact that OBS (one woman said) works, then of course

I recommend reading FRIENDLY CHEMISTRY to the entire sect of "Witnesses of the 7th day of washing with mustard", a blog of a chemistry teacher on how to do without harmful household chemicals or reduce its influence.

🔗... blogspot .com / p / statyi.html
Remove spaces.

I just recommend it, without any subtext. Just wondering...

For interest, I noticed that one package of 50g of dry mustard was enough for me for 18 days

[NataliARH]

NataliARH, mustard is a thing!
By the way, this winter, every time a cold started, my feet floated with mustard - no one got sick in the end. But this can only be done in the absence of temperature.

"Chemical food" is a horror story of our time. People do not want to eat harmful chemicals, but want to eat healthy natural foods. But what they mean by this is mostly myths ...

The truth about food is that all food is chemistry. The truth is that if a person makes food himself, then he knows what he makes it out of and checks it for safety.

The truth is, food chemistry is also a science that makes our world a better place. And another truth is that by consuming only natural food, relying on nature, you are making a mistake. Nature has absolutely no obligation to take care of our safety.

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... It's the same with mustard. The main function of allyl isothiocyanate, to which mustard owes its pungency, is to scare away insects and larger herbivores. As such, it is not in the plant: it begins to form only when the tissues of the plant are damaged. Its synthesis starts at the moment of damage to leaves or seeds in order to cause maximum damage to the pest.

Shl. The main pest of mustard, a larger herbivore, is humans.

NataliARH, mustard is a thing!
By the way, this winter, every time a cold started, my feet floated with mustard - no one got sick in the end. But this can only be done in the absence of temperature.

And in the presence of a normal healthy heart.

soda, mustard, chestnut - helpers in creating eco-friendly detergents and laundry detergents. To wash in the dishwasher or not is voluntary. Undoubtedly

one thing - any of us would like to have more time for ourselves. beloved, for her children and even for her husband (yes, beloved!).

And this time is often occupied by what? washing, cleaning, washing dishes ... and others like him. Cars to help us. Perhaps not perfect yet, but they (the producers) are trying). A slow cooker, a bread machine ... after all, from the same series. They also help save time.

You can, of course, sow your mustard, which you can grind into powder and wash the dishes with it, plant wheat - grind - put in the leaven - bake bread in the oven, which you also fold yourself ... making bricks from clay ... my thoughts are my horses. ... This is from the world of fantasy! Where to get the time?

but there are already cars in the house
and I wanted a little more ecology for every day
and the man decided to find recipes for eco powders ...

let's just share our findings. Someone decided to cook soap, make candles, paper ..., some with a cross ..., some on a typewriter ... and some make their own eco-friendly powder. Sharing secrets? It's just interesting!

[vaha]

let's just share our findings. Someone decided to cook soap, make candles, paper ..., some with a cross ..., some on a typewriter ... and some make their own eco-friendly powder. Sharing secrets? It's just interesting!

vaha, the title of this topic is initially flawed. Because nothing happens without chemistry. "The chemistry around us is 100%. Another question is whether these chemicals are taken from nature or synthesized by humans. And who said that all natural is useful, and artificial is harmful.In fact, natural differs only in that it occurs in nature, and only in this. Natural is not synonymous with useful. Here's an example: forest fires are a natural phenomenon, just like death from smallpox, and steam heating is an artificial phenomenon. And what is useful and what is harmful?"

This is all that is above - quoting and paraphrasing from the article "Cranberries must be banned, there is an overdose of preservatives in it", 🔗, the main meaning of which: if a person makes food himself (or means for PMM), then he knows what he makes it from, and checks it for safety. And by consuming only natural food and using only natural remedies, relying on nature, you are making a mistake. Nature has absolutely no obligation to take care of our safety.

Arguments like "But my grandmother (great-grandmother, grandfather, great-grandfather) used all her life in the kitchen ... and lived a hundred and twelve years" no longer work. The world is changing dynamically, and not always for the better. Space satellites and protons did not fall on our ancestors, products of fuel combustion from ground, air, and space technology did not fall in such an abundance. Chemical fertilizers were not poured into the fields in abundance, and clean fish were found in clean rivers. And even if you live in a dense taiga, then acid rain will get you there, or a cloud from some Fukushima will float. And diligent efforts to sterilize your life also lead to sad results. In this case, we limit our body in the ability to develop internal means of protection from the inevitably imperfect environment, and pass them on to future generations. Here, as in that anecdote: "Put it under the exhaust pipe - he will immediately come to his senses." In the fauna around us, only individuals who have managed to adapt to the environment survive. And we are no exception in this. That is, specifically to this topic, figuratively speaking, those who gobble up a liter of surfactants from a rinse aid for PMM during their life will survive, and retain their health and the ability to reproduce. And they will pass on such immunity to the next generations ... And the "mustard plasters" are destined for the sad fate of dinosaurs ... IMHO ...

It would be more correct to leave this topic in its original form, for those who like to work with their hands, with mustard or soda. And open a new topic - something like "Eco-friendly and relatively safe means for PMM." And not to invent your own recipes for such products, but to discuss and share opinions on such products produced by the chemical industry (domestic and foreign). Because you yourself will not produce anything good, and you will not competently check for safety, hypoallergenicity, radiation background, dermatitis, toxidermia, etc. such an invention.

The topic of PMM funds is not popular here. My personal opinion, with which (not here) many will probably agree: Soldier sleeping washes the dishes with mustard, the service goes on. If you have a lot of time and nowhere to go (well, you are serving your sentence in places not so distant, you are serving a short-term service, or you are on the International Space Station), then why not kill time with mustard and dirty dishes. But if you are free, then there are many ways to enjoy your time. Well, there, - roll around in bed with your loved one, go to the theater, or just throw your legs higher on the sofa to watch your favorite TV series or read an interesting book. And let the PMM do its dirty work at this time. Life is short, and some tambourine dirty dishes and mustard, is an impermissible waste of its limited resource in our time ... IMHO ...

Oh, just today I came across a post about pills from "improvised means"
You can't link, but something like this clubbt123? W = wall-86866684_6067
In my opinion, a cool idea

Oh, just today I came across a post about pills from "improvised means"

The main detergent components of the tablets are soda and enzymes. We now have such tablets at home: French L'ARBRE VERT and German Frosch Soda All-in-One. The compositions are very similar.So, the first pills are cleaned frankly carelessly, the second - some of the best that we have used ... From improvised means, you say ..?