Dishwashing detergents without chemicals

And I've been doing my homemade gel for a month now. Plaque is visible only on the glass. Sometimes I add either powder for PMM or gel for washing machine, but just a little. Already that day I have been on the program for 1 hour or 30 minutes. Then I put very little. Everything is washed off. Although some programs do not require detergents.

I'm not sure that the use of mustard in the dishwasher is logical, at high temperatures it brews and probably sticks to the dishes in pieces. And the adhered and dried ... It's still a pleasure to wash, while it clearly does not have the best effect on the ion exchanger. A dishwasher is a little more complex than a washing machine. Therefore, choosing the convenience of washing in the dishwasher, you need to be prepared for the fact that it is costly. And you can reduce costs and the amount of remaining unwashed products by switching to loose powder, not tablets. There you can safely regulate how much powder to fill in, the recommended dose can be reduced by two, or even three times. Savings on the face, and the concentration of the unwashed is several times lower. It won't work with pills, 1 tab = 1mock. The quality of washing depends to a greater extent not on the amount of detergent (to wash off the fat, there is enough hot water and a minimum of detergent), but on the ability of the sprayer to supply water in different directions under a certain pressure, that is, to knock down this very dirt and grease. And the holes themselves are very often simply clogged (seeds, remnants of washed off labels, tomato peels, etc.), just try to clean it and the quality of the voika will improve several times.

And I've been doing my homemade gel for a month now.

Can I have a gel recipe?

[Natalia]

Natalia, 100 gr household. any soap to grate, pour 3 liters of boiling water, stir until completely dissolved. Add 100 grams of soda ash, stir. As it cools, it thickens. More discussed in the thread
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4529.1100

All the same, the question of washing with mustard in the PPM remained open, I also thought. Hands, definitely, better than mustard with soda does not wash anything. Previously, the Tupper dishes were very poorly laundered from fat, now with mustard is just super! I also mix baking soda and mustard in a soda can. No suffering. Here's how to turn a car wash in PPM into a song too ???

In PMM, everything will surely be clogged with mustard, I read about it on the internet, I don't have it, so I'm happy with manual washing with mustard

Previously, dishes were very poorly washed from fat

Aha! I still have glassware with stains and cracks from washing in the dishwasher - although it has long been donated to good hands And is washed gradually, drop by drop, by hand.

Try and compare washing glass and plates in the dishwasher with your hands with a dish sponge - a big difference will turn out. Dishes with stains will be (remnants of chemistry from tablets), which will not wash off for a long time.

I do not agree with Roma. I wash the dishes in the dishwasher with the ecological Froggy tablets. I really like it. Perfectly cleans glass, metal, no streaks and even dried food residues perfectly cleans away! The composition of the detergents there is made from natural ingredients with soda and there are no phosphates, which are harmful and their amount simply goes off scale in the advertised Finish.

Added Wednesday, 06 Jul 2016 6:03 PM

Now there are many eco-shops where I sell eco-friendly household chemicals, although the price is always more expensive there. But buying a PMM is also not cheap pleasure. It is always cheaper to wash with your hands and you can wash with mustard or soda. But in the PMM add mustard or soda, I would not risk it, I have Miele, it will still break, you won’t get out of trouble.

We use tablets and finish conditioner - stains very rarely remain on glass and metal dishes.

I've been in the dishwasher for half a year now with a liquid product - Sinergetic gel. 1 L. - 150 rubles. Really like! Liquid is generally convenient to use - even fill a full container, at least half a teaspoon, sparingly. Washes well. Well, if there is a completely full load of FAT dishes, then I will pour the powder or throw a tablet. And so the gel is very happy!

Added Wednesday 04 Jan 2017 12:59 PM

I do not agree with Roma. I wash the dishes in the dishwasher with the ecological Froggy tablets. I really like it. Perfectly cleans glass, metal, no streaks and even dried food residues perfectly cleans away! The composition of the detergents there is made from natural ingredients with soda and there are no phosphates, which are harmful and their amount simply goes off scale in the advertised Finish.

The secret of phosphate-free agents (for SM, PMM) is that the active substances there are enzymes, which are most active up to 50 Celsius. Similarly, surfactants - the lower the temperature of the water in the dishwasher, the less stains and cloudy deposits remain on the dishes, or does not remain at all. Therefore, when using such phosphate-free products, it is recommended to wash in the PMM in the "Eco" mode at 50 degrees, or in the glass washing mode at 45 degrees.

PS. Indeed, Frosch All-in-One Soda frog tablets - I really liked it, for the cleanliness of the dishes, smell after washing, environmental friendliness and acceptable safety. Expensive, but worth it ...

Soda ash solution washes perfectly, and also washes everything: linen, dishes and floors. Plastic can only be washed with soda ash.

Oddly enough, soda ash is also chemistry.

[Froggy]

I do not agree with Roma. I wash the dishes in the dishwasher with the ecological Froggy tablets.

You may disagree with Roma, but can you read the labels from the cans, packs, boxes? Or search the internet ...
Froggy 3 in 1 Universal Tablets 5 kg contain slow chlorine for long-term disinfection of water, algicide to remove algae, flocculant to eliminate water turbidity... It is also used to maintain the water quality at the required level. The product is safe for pool materials, easy to use.

Is this a good composition, bio-pure?

Soda ash solution washes perfectly, and also washes everything: linen, dishes and floors. Plastic can only be washed with soda ash.

So it is understandable, because soda ash, when hydrolyzed in hot water, gives a large amount of alkali (sodium hydroxide), which breaks down fats. Any detergent and detergent must be alkaline. So it was not without chemistry here either. Another thing is that there are no phosphates ...

Another idea in the piggy bank: my mother taught not only how to wash dishes and everything in the house with soda, mustard and household soap, but also greasy pans or ducklings, before washing, wipe off fat with an ordinary newspaper (you can also use a paper towel, but a free newspaper is cheaper ) as a result, you do not have to rinse the siphon as often as if you rinse the fat directly into the sink, and then wash the sink from this fat.

Another thing is that there are no phosphates ...

What's wrong with phosphates?

Oddly enough, soda ash is also chemistry.

Uh-huh. It is also surprising that she is sometimes revered for the good.)

Plastic can only be washed with soda ash.

And I am my ordinary fairy. Washable even in cold water. And soda loves to grab stony lumps from water and then scratches everything it touches, including my fingers.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, but just there they discussed above that all this is harmful-harmful-harmful-harmful. But soda and soda ash are less harmful, and not chemistry. By the way, phosphates perform their function like carbonates through hydrolysis, that is, they also provide an alkaline environment.
I do not presume to assess the degree of harmfulness of various constituents of detergents and tablets for PMM. I myself use pills, but after the end of the PMM cycle, I must once again set the "30 minutes" program without a pill, just to rinse with water. I only wash with my hands those dishes that cannot be washed in the PMM, that is, dishes with gilding, with non-stick coatings, etc.
For hand washing I use "Mama" (for all dishes), "Top house" (for multicooker bowls, pans and all dishes with a non-stick layer) and a universal cleaner "Frosch" with soda (for oily dishes). To quickly degrease the hob, countertops and some problematic dishes, I use the Frosch grease remover with grapefruit extract. The last two products are produced by Germany, the Frosch trademark specializes in the production of environmentally friendly household chemicals (I don't know how true this is).
All the listed funds have passed the test of time with me and have proven themselves well. Before that, I used a lot of things (like all the hostesses), but so far I stopped at them, they suit me perfectly. I will never wash the dishes with soda, although many people like it. But I liked the idea with mustard, you need to try it on Taper products, they sometimes stick a little.
Happy New Year everyone! Well-washed dishes for you in the New Year! Environmental well-being in your kitchen!

[I have these pills and they have a normal composition:]

Sorry, but you wrote about the wrong powder. Here you write about which one: 🔗
A I have these pills and they have a normal composition: 🔗

I believe - a different composition:

Ingredients: 5- <15% oxygen bleach; <5% polycarboxylates, non-ionic surfactants, enzymes, flavor additives. Other components: <0.1% soda.

Soda is listed among the "other ingredients", and not in the first place, if it were the main component in the tablets, and how much soda is there is a big question.

SODA in the composition of 0.1% is a marketing ploy, sort of like we clean dishes with soda.
It seems like dipping a sponge into a jar with tea soda and three dishes on all sides - cleanliness and molten, and safe, the most that neither is BIO

And I like to wash the dishes with a mixture of soda - dry mustard 1: 1, though I wear gloves, my hands dry from soda ...
Clean and good, at first it was unusual that there was no foam, and then I got used to it, because before I tried to wash soap, soda - mustard, it washed out worse, and some kind of plaque remained from the soap, but here it is beauty ...

[Trishka]

Trishka, Ksyusha, and I don't mind. I just don't have time to wash with my hands (and I don't have any desire either). I rinse the dishes under running hot water (with a cloth), during the day I put everything in the PMM. Late in the evening, I wash it on the main program, I rinse it on the "30 minutes" program. I put it in place. By the way, there is no plaque on the dishes. But I agree with Tatiana (Roma) that small scratches appear on some dishes, I have black French plates, which are slightly noticeable.

And I don't even have a dishwasher, I like to wash with pens, and don't throw slippers at me ...
Although, it is probably convenient with a dishwasher when the family is large, there are three of us, my pens are enough for us ...

[Trishka]

Trishka, Ksyusha, my dishes do not accumulate so much per day either, I just really feel sorry for the time))) If I were not so busy with work, maybe I would wash my hands too))) Although, to be honest, it is unlikely )))

Well, yes, this is a matter of habit ...
I have a friend, there are also three of them in the family, so they always had the Kulikovo battle - someone to wash the dishes, so they bought a dishwasher and ...

And I like to wash the dishes with a mixture of soda - dry mustard 1: 1, though I wear gloves, my hands dry from soda ...
Clean and good, at first it was unusual that there was no foam, and then I got used to it, because before I tried to wash soap, soda - mustard, it washed worse, and some kind of plaque remained from the soap, but here it is beauty ...

Ksyusha, that's right, only with gloves. Alkali not only dries the skin very strongly, but also destroys it on the nail plate.

nail plate.

All my nails are already crumbled, so only gloves!

All my nails are already crumbled, so only gloves!

Ksyusha, check your personal mail.

And I don't even have a dishwasher, I like to wash with pens, and don't throw slippers at me ...

I will not throw myself around. I also wash the dishes with my handles, and I don’t cry. The main thing is not to save up dishes for the whole day.

I donated a Boshevsky dishwasher for a long time, and I do not regret it at all.Everything was fine ... except for stains and stains (of different origins, since the means act this way on dishes) on dishes that are never washed off by anything
Just don't tell me that the wrong pills, bad ones, and so on ... many have this problem, just not everyone is voiced

[Admin]

Admin, Tanyush!

Soda is listed among the "other components", and not in the first place, if it were the main component in tablets, and how much soda is there is a big question.

SODA in the composition of 0.1% is a marketing ploy, sort of like we clean the dishes with soda.

Well, yes, there is a little soda in the composition. But then there are no phosphates, as in other products and surfactants, obtained from plant products. For me, this tool perfectly cleans all dishes, even with dried food residues and there is no smell in clean dishes. In general, I switched to all Froggy household chemicals for the kitchen and for the bathroom. For washing the bathroom, the product from this company with vinegar really smells like vinegar. I wash the bathroom without gloves and this product does not irritate my hands, like any other aggressive household chemicals such as Cilit Bang, etc.

I will not throw myself around. I also wash the dishes with my handles, and I don’t cry. The main thing is not to save up dishes for the whole day.

I'm with you There is no dishwasher and will not be if I live to see the repair in the kitchen. Also, washing dishes does not cause problems for me or my husband. He often washes dishes both after my cooking and after eating. And they just kick me out of the kitchen if I get ready to wash myself.

[Anya]

Anyaand this is the right decision!

Yes ... Habit is a great thing. For a long time, I also looked blankly at a friend who was praising her high from the washing machine, they say, it's never difficult for me! All the more so with today's such cool washing powders. And in general I like to wash, I just dislike ironing.

Everything was fine ... except for stains and stains (of various origins, since the agents act this way on dishes) on dishes that are never washed off by anything
Just don't tell me that the wrong pills, bad ones, and so on ... many have this problem, just not everyone is voiced

There was such a thing. I already wanted to throw out Asko and buy another one, because I decided that she did not know how to wash dishes. The casket just opened ... by the fall the water hardness changed, it was just necessary to change the settings.
And all the stains were washed off, as it was not. Even our cheapest powder. Dishes shine, hands are intact.
what is not the topic

Yes ... Habit is a great thing.

Yes, it's not a habit ... but much more

And there is a washing machine, and an ironing machine, and a board with an iron ... and the rest is enough And there was a dishwasher, but it floated away - I gave it as a gift, for this ... that is, for nothing
And experience with these devices is ... there is a lot ... including a dishwasher.

Only now no one will convince me that the dishwasher is a blessing There are enough reasons not in favor of the dishwasher
Often, almost always, we choose what is easier (threw all the dishes into the dishwasher in a day, the doors crack), and close our eyes to other problems and nuances (because it is convenient to "threw" the first one), and we don't even want to think about them - what for?

Today, almost all day at the stove, and there was enough dishes, and I washed it at once, as soon as it appeared (my mother also taught me to wash it right away) And I spent little dishwashing detergent, and the one I needed was a drop on the dishes and hands also fine

To be or not to be a dishwasher is a conversation between the "full with the hungry" as they say. Everyone will defend their position.

I went ...

I think that the dishes that I put in the car for the whole day (oh, horror, horror, horror! As it was written above :,), many will consider as already washed. My friends even laugh at me, they say that you don't need to put clean dishes in the PMM. But I like to do just that. By the way, my mother also taught me to always have perfect cleanliness in the house (and this also applies to dishes). But I fully understand both those who wash dishes in the machine and those who prefer to wash them by hand. And I do not think that in the conversation between the "well-fed with the hungry" someone is right and someone is wrong. Everyone lives the way he wants and conducts the household the way he likes. And it is not necessary to compare "well-fed and hungry", "deaf and blind", etc. You can also not talk about those women who work very hard (both at work and at home) and those who are housewives (and do not go to service); this is also everyone's choice ...
Merry Christmas! Comfort and cleanliness in your house!

wash immediately

And there was no one to teach me, and I also wash it right away, I can't when the extra plate / bowl in the sink dangles ...

And there was no one to teach me, and I also wash it right away, I can't when the extra plate / bowl in the sink dangles ...

Ksyusha, nothing ever dangles in my sink either.It is just that I try not to draw any conclusions about people with whom I personally do not know (especially in a categorical form)

Everyone is free to choose what and how it is more convenient for him to do!
I believe that you can express your opinion, and share how you do it yourself, but to argue that my opinion is correct, and only one thing, it's funny how many people have so many opinions!
And the truth is somewhere in between ...

I am for !

I lived in countries where they could kill for water ... when they gave you 0.5 liters of water ... You want to drink, you want to wash, you want to wash. Half a liter a day!
A lot of water flows down the drain, drinking! When washing dishes by hand. I got used to saving water.

I can’t imagine my life without a dishwasher! And put it in the village. Thin porcelain, cupronickel, etc., with my handles. By the way, the water consumption is less with the PM.

Everyone is free to choose what and how it is more convenient for him to do!
I believe that you can express your opinion, and share how you do it yourself, but to argue that my opinion is correct, and only one thing, it's funny how many people have so many opinions!
And the truth is somewhere in between ...

I am for !

Ksenia, thank you very much! "What is truth?" Here it is an eternal question ...

I have a dishwasher, but I use it mostly after a big meal or guests. I prefer to wash a small amount of dishes immediately and with mustard. No gels give such purity as from her. After the dishwasher, I also rinse the glass again with mustard, it just shines from it and no streaks and streaks remain.
Plus it's environmentally friendly. I have some prejudice towards pills for PMM and even more - towards fairies and so on.

I can’t imagine my life without a dishwasher! And put it in the village. Thin porcelain, cupronickel, etc., with my handles. By the way, the water consumption is less with the PM.

Olga, I have quite a lot of dishes (both ceremonial and for every day) that I have to wash by hand. But there's nothing you can do about it ...

A lot of water flows down the drain, drinking!

Exactly. When you think that all the plates and pots in one basin of water are rinsing, you want to rinse them again under running water.
It's like washing your face from the tap and from the sink with a stopper. You won't die, of course, but somehow the flowing water is more pleasant for the Russian soul

Olga, I have quite a lot of dishes (both ceremonial and for every day) that I have to wash by hand. But there's nothing you can do about it ...

Well, I also wash some things by hand, because I don't trust the washer in this regard. That is, the analogy is complete.))

And some grandmothers stubbornly continue to wash, boil and starch the laundry by hand, because they don't like the laundry from the machine ...Like, warm tube sound (s).

[Serenity]

Serenity, Olga, I liked the idea with mustard, you need to try it when manually washing dishes)))

You won't die, of course, but somehow the flowing water is more pleasant for the Russian soul

Well, yes, and then the Russian soul waits for how many cycles the dishwasher will wash their "flowing" dishes clean. And if the blackness did not wash in 5 garbage dumps, then this is a bad car.)

with mustard

And I already, that my mustard, soda, washes everything once or twice!

About mustard.
In the village, she always washed her until there was a PPM. So after several days the sewers had to be washed with harsh chemicals. The smell was not pleasant from the plum. And not only in the countryside, but also in Moscow. After that, she stopped washing with mustard. Organic, begins to rot.
A lot has changed since the days of our mothers and grandmothers.
Will your sewer digest the mustard? Previously, a bowl of water was poured into a pit ..... but oh well.
Merry Christmas everyone!