Pizza makers Princess 115000, Travola SW302T, Fagor MG-300

[Nastya]

how to search by words in a topic

1.Nastya, press two buttons ctrl and f simultaneously (you do not need to switch to the Latin font), an active field will appear in the upper right corner in which you enter the search word, if the word is on the page, it is highlighted in yellow.
2. I think you can search by forum search (active line with a magnifying glass), Let's say part of the topic name is Princess Pizza Makers and the word you are looking for is Ariete. Now I'll check if it finds it or not))
No, it does not work ((sent me to the first page of this topic. She glanced briefly, but there she did not see the words of Ariete.

For now, I'm inclined to order Tristar, since it turns out a decent discount compared to Ozone (clathronic seems to be at a discount, but the price for ozone is the same). Or aryete?

Ariete is really not so often found in reviews in the topic, although it seems that those who have it are happy ... Her power is higher than that of the Princess-Tristar-GF - 1800 watts, it's like that of the Klatronic. According to reviews, it fries faster than other pizza makers, and the same pizza may turn out to be more fried. It has a disconnect top cover, unfolds, has a timer and a temperature regulator, but many are not satisfied with its internal dimensions, there is conflicting information about them. Here here spoke about her ...
Perhaps it did not become widespread due to its price, initially its price reached 6000-6500, which is almost twice the price of the Princess. Now, thanks to the expanded choice, the price is already more democratic.

Ani visited Ariete anna_k
She sold it and bought the Clathronic.
So I would choose from Gf, Klatronic, Tristar or Tortilla chef. I don't like the princess, so I won't recommend it, but the device is popular with many, which cannot be said about Ariete

[Pchela maja]

Pchela maja, and what is this attitude to the Princess connected with?

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I never lower the temperature in Tristar, everything is at its maximum.

I don’t know why, but I don’t believe that everything is baking at the maximum in Tristar. It is impossible to cook everything at the same temperature. You can, perhaps, adjust, but when there is a thermostat, I think the hand itself will reach for it. I once tried to turn it on to the maximum, it seemed to me that the device would now melt by itself.
It is good that now there is a choice of such devices. Everyone chooses what he needs. My husband, for example, doesn't like fried. Be that as it may, but to different recipes, an individual approach is still better.

I have two ovens, tristar and clathronic, I'm very happy, before that there was a princess, I gave it to my mother, also a very good copy, but I mostly use clathronic, it's like a grill with me, and I bake pies in a tristar, he's not as playful as a princess , but I like this, I don't need to add anything, I bake the pizza right in the pan, and the princess I had with temper, gape a little, the bottom was burnt.

[Lel]

Lel, I'll subscribe about the differences. Also, the potatoes in the princess are still tastier. But I often bake in Tristar, slightly lowering the temperature, firstly, in the third year of her life, the princess began to stick, and secondly, Tristar bakes slower pies and pancakes more tenderly. In my opinion, they are all very different, each stove has its own set of successful dishes.

[read, see pictures]

My husband, for example, doesn't like fried.

From here everyone also "dances". The choice of stove depends on a lot, including the preferences of eaters. I think the statements: "Buy ... and you will be happy" are incorrect, including those suffering from stoves - read, see pictures and choose!

Everyone chooses what he needs.

One thing is clear that craftswomen have almost everything in common in what to cook: thanks to their special instinct, they will adjust any device for themselves.
And "dummies" (like me) need an exact recipe: how much to hang in grams and at what temperature and time to bake.
You will laugh, but when I start to make an unfamiliar dish without having precise recommendations, I choose Tortilla from the GF and Tortilla, since the temperature is more flexibly regulated there (right now, they will throw slippers) (five positions).
And our preferences are personal: some people like the same pizza thin and pale, and some like fluffy and fried ... It's just that everyone chooses for themselves, but here it's hard to do without mistakes. It happens that you lead to rave reviews, you cherish a dream, you get it ... but wow, it didn't happen. And do not blame those who praised, because it suited them. And the fact that I am not happy, so I'm different.

[the same question]

And do not blame those who praised, because it suited them.

One should not blame, but reasonably. This topic is full of photos, recipes and descriptions, well, is it really not enough to understand whether I need this "wow", whether I can get it in this device or not.
And then newbies come here, and everyone asks the same question- which stove is better, help me, otherwise I won't be able to read all the pages ...

Ani visited Ariete anna_k
She sold it and bought the Clathronic.

Well, again, the fact that someone sold something does not mean that the stove is bad! Anya - anna_k, as far as I remember, and sold Tristar!
And many of both Klatronic and Tortilla were sold because of their small size ...

The choice of stove depends on a lot, including the preferences of eaters. I consider incorrect statements: "Buy ... and you will be happy", including those suffering from stoves - read, look at the pictures and choose!

Agree!
But it is very, very desirable to share your impressions of the stove used, so that those interested in buying and facing a choice have more information!

I want versatility))
Timer and regulator with good range. For both pizza and delicate pastries.
But judging by the reviews, one device is not enough if you want everything at once.
Then the oven

But it is very, very desirable to share your impressions of the stove used, so that those interested in buying and facing a choice have more information!

the more pictures and stories, the easier it is to make this choice.

And then newbies come here, and everyone asks the same question - which stove is better, help, otherwise I won't be able to read all the pages ...

Whoa! I, too, this moment is not entirely clear ... Even if the owners of different stoves respond to the question about help, and they vying to praise each of their favorites, it is unlikely that this will help to choose "the one"! Indeed, everyone has their own preferences, it's easier to read thoughtfully, see photo reports and make your own deliberate decision!

it's easier to read thoughtfully, see photo reports and make your informed decision!

Absolutely right!!!!

Almost 1000 pages of topic ..... well, you can't share the same endlessly.

Stoves with a thermostat are good because they are universal. If you want a higher temp-ru for pizza, you want a lower temperature for cutlets and typy.

And endless disputes arise when someone, once again, declares that the "naked" princess is the best. The extreme dispute began precisely with this, like the previous ones.

That's all the fuss.

In this case, you need to send newbies to read the topic, everything has been written and scheduled here for a long time.
And then it is not clear why it is, this topic, if you do not read it and immediately ask questions.

[it's easier to read thoughtfully, look at photo reports and make your deliberate decision]

it is impossible to share infinitely the same.

So the fact of the matter is that we are all different, and it does not work out "the same thing":

It happens that you lead to rave reviews, you cherish a dream, you get it ... but wow it didn't happen

And endless disputes arise when someone, once again, declares that the "naked" princess is the best.

Yes, because you don't need to shout every 100 pages

And Tristar must be taken, a very successful model turned out.

Even if the owners of different stoves respond to the question of help, and each of them will vying to praise their favorite, it is unlikely that this will help to choose "the one"! Everyone really has their own preferences, it's easier to read thoughtfully, look at photo reports and make your deliberate decision!

And then it is not clear why it is, this topic, if you do not read it and immediately ask questions.

But I absolutely agree with this, all the latest posts are about this !!!

Oh eh .....

0% of the result .... So it will never end.

Above, in Russian, I wrote the reason in black and white ... someone is still no use.
OK. Let's continue through the next 100 pages.

It looks like it is impossible to combine several devices in one topic ... Otherwise, the fight will continue ...

[Irina]

Let's continue through the next 100 pages.

"And nothing has changed"....Irina, I really see that the result is 0 ...
I already wrote that I did not argue with anyone and I am not going to argue ...
Well, I don’t know how to convey our common sense (of the last posts) even more clearly, so I will quote again (in my opinion, a 100% decision not to repeat every 100 pages):

Even if the owners of different stoves respond to the question of help, and each of them will vying to praise their favorite, it is unlikely that this will help to choose "the one"! Everyone really has their own preferences, it's easier to read thoughtfully, see photo reports and make your own deliberate decision!

It looks like it is impossible to combine several devices in one topic ... Otherwise, the fight will continue ...

That's for sure. I wrote about this for a long time. Since the dispute is about nothing in the end.

And then newcomers come here, and everyone asks the same question - which stove is better, help, otherwise I won't be able to read all the pages ...

Let me disagree, Tatiana. This is why we write here, for the most part, and it is difficult for a beginner to understand everything at once. For example, I never heard of such a device, well, somehow there was no need, but then I decided to pamper the younger one and not smoke in the heat myself. Naturally, it's hard for me to get my bearings right away. And if I'm not being rude, but asking, this does not mean that my IQ is lower.
How many times she herself took "super" recipes or "wow", but it turns out .. and the side of the bow - that one is good, the other is not. And not everyone has time to read 900 pages. We have inherent in us why from childhood "Language will bring to Kiev" Do not be offended for this by people who cherish his time

[Virine]

Virine, no one is offended, it is not necessary to read all 900 pages, it is enough to "poke" each hundred and everything will be more or less clear. And there is also a proverb: "you can't pull a fish out of a pond without difficulty"

And then it is not clear why it is, this topic, if you do not read it and immediately ask questions.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, for example, I honestly read pages 50, then I realized that everything is boiling ... but everything is about the princess in general. How many people, so many opinions. We are all different.
Thanks to EVERYONE who helped me make my choice here

[SoNika]

SoNika, and what do you buy in the end?
Did you find exactly what you wanted?

[the same question]

It happens that you lead to rave reviews, you cherish a dream, you get it ... but wow, it didn't happen. And do not blame those who praised, because it suited them. And the fact that I am not happy, so I'm different.

As it turned out, both nimble individuals and more delicate ones are found within the same model.
I cannot say about my Tristarik that he bakes worse than the Princess. Very often I twist the temperature regulator, maybe .. at the maximum it can even burn. And for quick frying, when you need to directly seal meat or vegetables, I still have a grill. In general, I have calmed down for now and no longer chase my dreams. Unless they release some super fancy powerful grill pan with a bunch of regulators and other chips, then it will make sense to upgrade.

One should not blame, but reasonably. This topic is full of photos, recipes and descriptions, well, is it really not enough to understand whether I need this "wow", whether I can get it in this device or not.
And then newbies come here, and everyone asks the same question- which stove is better, help, otherwise I won't be able to read all the pages ...

Agree. This whole topic is just the answer to this question. And in order not to shovel the whole topic first, it is enough to skim through the last 30 pages, all questions will disappear at once.

Well, again, the fact that someone sold something does not mean that the stove is bad! Anya - anna_k, as far as I remember, and sold Tristar!
And many of both Klatronic and Tortilla were sold because of their small size ...

And I don’t write that it’s bad. This means that she did not suit her with something, love did not arise. Why keep a device you don't use? it is better to sell and buy a more interesting and convenient one ... in my opinion this is obvious to anyone .... For me personally, if I sold and bought a Clathronic, which is almost the same in volume, it means that the Clathronic turned out to be better ... At least I don't consider Ariete for myself at all, if I bought another device, it would be a clathronic. But as I wrote earlier, I have a grill, a pair of Tristar + grill is enough for me for most of the tasks. All IMHO .....

Tatyana, for example, I honestly read pages 50, then I realized that everything is boiling ... but everything is about the princess in general. How many people, so many opinions. We are all different.

I would gladly suggest if I knew the perfect stove. But the ideal has not yet been made, unfortunately, therefore, we read the top, draw conclusions for ourselves and choose the one that satisfies the tasks.

[Pchela maja]

Pchela maja, here I have a clathronic lyubimka, without him as without hands

Figuratively speaking, for me the ideal would be if

1.Workmanship, power and design would have taken from the clathronic,
2. int. volume and coverage like a tristar or a princess (and it can even be a centimeter higher or a sliding structure),
3.Precise temperature controllers (and it would be better with an indication of temperatures on this regulator!) And time like tortilla
4. moreover, for the lower and upper surfaces, the temperature controls are separately or (see the next item)
5. Ideally, electronic control from the board, like most multicooker, with the ability to set the manual mode and program your own.
6. a folding structure in a plane like that of gf, ariete or zhardeko.

I would buy such a stove, for me it would be ideal.

[Pchela maja]

Pchela maja, very much like GF. only without electronics ...

[Pchela maja]

Pchela maja, very much like GF. only without electronics ...

gf does not like externally, I have some kind of rejection ... quarrel with all gf lovers
I don't like red again

[Pchela maja]

I don't like red again

Pchela maja, well, here's another fad for the perfect stove - this is the color of the model! Yes, it's better when there is a choice and colors too ... I won't say that red is my favorite color, but it doesn't bother me in the stoves, maybe because I don't always keep them in sight.

gf does not like externally, I have some kind of rejection ... quarrel with all gf lovers

This can be understood, for all their wonderfulness, I did not get hooked on Tortilla, nor Tristar ... But GF, on the contrary, immediately liked it ... And I already have a pizza maker, a waffle iron, and a cupcake from GFgrill ... I can see this style to my liking! Eh, still, and a little red Kitchen Aid in their company!

Yes, I know many people who love red. Many people wanted to buy the red staff.
But in my kitchen everything is beige, black, steel and a small amount of white. There used to be a Princess and somehow hurt my eyes.
And I don't even always clean the black Tristar, often just stands on a disabled (locked) glass-ceramic stove.

Girls .. made a recipe today in PP Olin .. oh and delicious ...

Chicken with cheese with prune-apple topping # 21

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, thanks for showing.Very appetizing, I bookmarked the recipe, I will do it in the near future))

[Zena]

Zena, Zhenya, how wonderful he looks! It even looks very tasty! Is the meat fillet from the thighs?

yes this red meat .. I did it on the breasts and fillet from the thighs .. on the thighs I liked it more ..

[Daria]

Daria, Yes, thank you, I'm waiting for what will happen in the end, then I'll unsubscribe.



Zena,

I would gladly suggest if I knew the perfect stove. But the ideal has not yet been made, unfortunately, therefore we read the top, draw conclusions for ourselves and choose the one that will satisfy the tasks.

I don’t think that someone is looking for a super ideal, we want to make our life easier by saving time in the kitchen, but tasty treating our loved ones. And we earn money, but do not get it out of thin air, so we want to combine business with pleasure. Is not it so? We are all different ...
It's easier for a techie and a discrete to figure out those. characteristics, the humanities need to delve into, and try kinestics empirically ...

[And we earn money, but do not get it out of thin air, so we want to combine business with pleasure. Is not it so?]

I don’t think that someone is looking for a super ideal, we want to make our life easier by saving time in the kitchen, but tasty treating our loved ones. And we earn money, but do not get it out of thin air, so we want to combine business with pleasure. Is not it so? We are all different ...

to be honest, I didn’t understand, what does the money have to do with it, no one has a printing press here ....... It's just that no one knows what you need, doesn’t know what you want from technology .... only you can make a decision in favor of this or that model. Read the topic, you will find answers in it, so much has already been chewed on this topic, there is still no universal answer and will not be.

there is still no universal answer and will not be.

I repeat, I don’t think that someone is looking for a universal, someone is important to switch the pace. mode, someone a timer, someone coverage, depth, cost, someone all together, but someone does not care ... So people buy different models. And we who decided to purchase simply ask for a REAL assessment of the product in operation, different nuances. It is clear that not everyone has the patience to answer. But you are also interested before you buy and someone helped you too. Thanks to Manna for the recipes and their systematization.
And believe me, not everyone reads from the topic from the end. I always start from the beginning. let's live in peace
Girls of successful acquisitions, pleasing during operation

Girls, hello. I am writing from the train. I don’t know if I’ll finish writing. When choosing a stove, do not forget that the GF has an excellent handle with which it is convenient to open the pizza oven without the risk of burning your hand. Out of three pans - PR, KL and GF (I had all three) I stopped at GF. The cooking speed is the same. Coverage in all three is good. And the timer is not needed for those who did not use it)))

[Larissa]

Larissa, in Tristar you can't burn your hand either, the ventilation system has been changed and the steam-condensate does not come down from the front, like in the PR. Also, no mitt is required to open the handle after cooking, the handle practically does not heat up.

we ask for a REAL assessment of the product in operation, different nuances

We are unlikely to get a real estimate from the reviews. Even test drives are subjective. And the opinion of the user who loved / did not love his stove even more so. It remains only to form your opinion on the nuances ...

Girls of successful acquisitions, pleasing during operation

I fully subscribe. After the purchase of pizza makers, even the cartoon faded into the background.

[Alenka212]

After the purchase of pizza makers, even the cartoon faded into the background.

Alenka212, Elena, but what about cabbage soup-borscht-soup? And boil a knuckle in a pressure cooker in 40 minutes?

I also don’t understand how dear ones are without them?))))))
Yesterday I wonderfully fried a batch of pickled chicken thighs in Panasonic 10th.))

even the cartoon faded into the background.

[Larissa]

Larissa, in Tristar you can't burn your hand either, the ventilation system has been changed and the steam-condensate does not come down in front, like in the PR.

Irina, thanks, did not know. I haven't had Tristar yet). Well done, that they improved.And then I burned, especially when frying cabbage

When choosing a stove, do not forget that the GF has an excellent handle with which it is convenient to open the pizza oven without the risk of burning your hand. Out of three pans - PR, KL and GF (I had all three) I stopped at GF. The cooking speed is the same. Coverage in all three is good. And the timer is not needed for those who did not use it)))

[Ilmirushka]

Ilmirushka, for soup-borschik, jellied meat pressure cooker is the best friend. And the knuckle is only in the cartoon. I mean from a small product ...

steam condensate does not come down from the front, like the PR

For 2.5 years of daily and sometimes repeated use, the princess has never been burned, steam comes out evenly around the entire circumference, except for the joints. And I cook pretty wet dishes in it (see my recipes), not just baked goods. Although baked goods also give off moisture well at first.

While the steam is on, there is no need to open the stove - the cooking process is in progress, the dish is considered almost cooked, when the steam turns into light streams, then you can turn off the stove, the food is cooked at the set t.