Which bread maker to buy?

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, there is no information on the sales of either 256 or 257 models anywhere on the Internet ...

If all the same I do not dare to take a large Panasonic 2500, what is the best choice from the listed Kenwood, LG and Philips? Or do you still strongly recommend that you spit on the size and take Panasonic?

Oh, this is not an easy job, to drag a hippopotamus out of the swamp ...

Advice from grandma (ex-girlfriend)
Spit on the size and take Panasonic either 2501 or 2502 (if stainless steel is more suitable in design)
In other versions, it is possible to bake in any bread machine, it is possible in the oven and in the airfryer, but I know many cases when, after a series of failures, people abandoned this business.
My friends have moulinex - I don't remember which one. So the "father of the family" danced the "dance with tambourines" for four days - until something more or less similar to delicious homemade bread came out.
A gift should be enjoyable - shouldn't it.
So my husband and I chose Panasonic 257 - and the result - for exactly one year - as I don't buy bread - we only eat homemade bread (one of the favorites - "Zavarnoy" - which is baked on the "Rye" mode)
I will quote RINA-
"It is better to have additional options and not use them, than to regret endlessly that there are no such opportunities."
I would be glad if I could help the hippo to get out on land to a beautiful girl as a gift

I agree with you completely. Moreover - a gift for the anniversary!

Thanks for the advice!

If also for the anniversary - then I would not hesitate to choose Panasonic !!!
You can look at the forum for the number of Panasonic ovens and other companies - Panasonic is unconditionally ahead.
They make excellent bread makers. same as Kenwood - Kitchen machines and blenders

Only you can't put it horizontally against the wall, its orientation is not very convenient. And these 14 cm are very noticeable.

If there is a standard kitchen - there are shelves hanging above the countertop, then with such a height of Panasonic, most likely you still have to push the HP to the edge during work, so you can put it "horizontally" against the wall ... My HP constantly "lives" at the wall, but it "works" on the edge and turned sideways, otherwise the lid will not open to its full extent, and after all, manipulations are needed with the bucket - get it, put it on. So it doesn't matter how much forward it is.

... My HP constantly "lives" at the wall, but "works" on the edge and turned sideways, otherwise the lid does not open to its full extent, and after all, manipulations are also needed with the bucket - get it, put it. So it doesn't matter how much forward it is.

It's the same for me. Stand at the wall, and if necessary, look, insert the bucket, push it forward.
Worktop depth standard 60 cm
Friends generally "live" in a room
When you need bread, bake, the oven will cool down and back to the room

my 255th Panas was "stuck" to the wall in the corner, stood sideways for a long time, it did not bother me. Then he moved to another part of the table top (even for this they cut one shelf), stood up "correctly" (not sideways to me, but "face"). Now he will also return to this place.

In terms of reliability, I will say:
in three and a half years
* I changed the bucket once (due to my own curvature, I missed a spoon in the working bucket),
* the stirrer was replaced once less than a year ago, i.e. after two and a half years of operation (the coating peeled off),
* the capacitor was changed the other day (a couple of months ago, the batch power dropped; a diagnosis was made - the capacity of the starting (?) capacitor decreased; a corresponding part was found at a price of $ 2, the replacement was made on our own).

That is, the stove has actually been plowing for more than three years, I hope that it will now be back in operation and will not work for a couple of months. Many modern “brands”, alas, cannot boast of such stable long-term work.For example, out of four HPs of one well-known brand that my friends have, only two worked without problems. The other two had breakdowns in the first year of work and a very serious drawback, which Panas does not have by definition (this is about the baking of the top of the bread).

And one more thing, if the person to whom you are going to make a gift is of considerable age. It's screen readability. Panasonic (at least models 254-257) have a large screen with large numbers. I once helped to master Moulinex, because there the little screen is practically "blind", unreadable (this despite the fact that the stove was presented to a family where ALL had vision problems). Since the stove was in the kitchen with dim light, even I, with my one hundred percent vision, had to strain my eyes very much to understand what was shown there.

I have long dreamed of a bread maker. I read a lot of reviews about them. All the same, I think to opt for Panasonic, because a large number of users praise this particular model.

You need a bread maker to knead the dough.
(I'm going to bake bread in the oven)
I choose between SUPRA BMS-150, Mystery MBM-1202, Mystery MBM-1203, Binatone BM-2169.

1) On which program is it better to knead the dough in a bread machine to bake in the oven:
-on any "Bread" program, and then interrupt the program before baking
- fresh dough on the program (several times), arguing?
2) Is it possible to knead shortbread dough in the oven?
3) Can the bread maker cope with kneading, say, 300 grams of dough or is it not enough, will it not grab? (The maximum baking weight is 1 kg)

You need a bread maker to knead the dough.
(I'm going to bake bread in the oven)
I choose between SUPRA BMS-150, Mystery MBM-1202, Mystery MBM-1203, Binatone BM-2169.

1) On which program is it better to knead the dough in a bread machine to bake in the oven:
-on any "Bread" program, and then interrupt the program before baking
- fresh dough on the program (several times), arguing?
2) Is it possible to knead shortbread dough in the oven?
3) Can the bread maker cope with kneading, say, 300 grams of dough or is it not enough, will it not grab? (The maximum baking weight is 1 kg)

Can I look at a dough mixer (planetary) for this money?
Since you are going to bake only in the oven.
And the dough question will fall off.

[come in]

I have long dreamed of a bread maker. I read a lot of reviews about them. All the same, I think to opt for Panasonic, because a large number of users praise this particular model.

Once you liked it, then take any Panasonic, this is how much money is not a pity.
The cheapest will do everything like the older models.
In my topic about rye bread, this is described with examples, come in.
Panasonic, one of the most problem-free bread makers
and this is in the absence of programming in it.

Tell me, you need a big HP for a family of 4 adults. I looked at the Elbee 24003 Bread Maker - the price is attractive, the size of a loaf is 1350g. Here are just few reviews on it, practically none. Manufacturer write England. Maybe someone will write about her.
Thank you

I bought a bread maker not so long ago, before that I studied this site for a long time in order to choose a model, for a long time it means a long time, about a year. And I chose the same Panasonic! I bake bread every day, or even twice, I knead the dough all the time - the family is big and I am a housewife. I waited for everything when I didn’t succeed (many write that I didn’t get up or something else was wrong) - so I DIDN'T WAIT! Either the stove is really so wonderful, or (and this is most likely) the recipes here are proven and the tales about the bun are so detailed that the bread always turns out to be excellent and notable!
I have a PANASONIK 2501

Hello. I thought of buying a bread maker. It seems I read all the recommendations, stopped at Panas 2501. But someone somewhere told my wife that there are bread makers that bake French rolls (exactly oblong in shape). Is there a Panasonic with such a function?

Hello. I thought of buying a bread maker. It seems I read all the recommendations, stopped at Panas 2501. But someone somewhere told my wife that there are bread makers that bake French rolls (exactly oblong in shape). Is there a Panasonic with such a function?

only mulinexes

[S_alex]

S_alex Buns are baked by Moulinex, they will have to be formed with handles, they do not do this on the machine
And the buns are small.

My friend Moulinex does not use these molds at all. Take Panasonic. Do not wish

Hello dear forum users!
Adopt a new party member, so to speak

While my experience is an attempt to make rye bread using hop sourdough .. Since I didn't have enough patience and I reduced the time at almost all stages, as a result, the bread did not rise and baked. But the smell and taste were all the same very much nothing. And I baked in a multicooker, kneaded by hand (it turned out to be a very difficult event).
Now I am puzzled by the choice of a bread machine, because I no longer want to knead the dough by hand. In this regard, I ask for your help in choosing.

Please advise a bread maker in which it is most convenient and high quality to prepare rye sourdough bread. I think that programmable is better for me, because I love it when everything goes according to my plan
Is it possible to make rye bread in a bread machine according to a three-day recipe?

In the morning, boil rye flour with boiling water so that a stick can stand in the dough; beat out as best as possible, until the dough sticks to the rolling pin, cover with a towel and put in a warm place; beat with flour in the evening and knead well; the next morning knead again, add the leaven and leave until evening; in the evening, knead again and add a handful of candied fruits; on the third morning, make bread and bake, smearing each bread with hot water and rubbing evenly with your hand; who loves - you can sprinkle with anise, caraway or dill seeds.

The fact that many people fail to bake bread stops me when buying a bread machine. If all the results were positive, I would have bought Panasonic long ago. The price is not small, and it takes up a lot of space. Well, how will it not work, what to do with such a unit? An extra reason for worry.

[cloud]

clouduntil you try it yourself, you won't know. It's always better to do and regret than not to. And if you ate your head and hands, why not try it? Those who are ready to learn and do not stop after several unsuccessful attempts, after a while, bread begins to turn out almost always.

there was a ski, now Panas-bread always turned out. I like the second bread more. While the ski was working, I adored it for 8 years both in the tail and in the mane. buy !!!!

[For example, a quote about anise, cumin and dill is not at all clear.]

Hello dear forum users!
Adopt a new party member, so to speak
While my experience is an attempt to make rye bread using hop sourdough .. Since I didn't have enough patience and I reduced the time at almost all stages, as a result, the bread did not rise and baked. But the smell and taste were still very much even nothing.And I baked in a multicooker, kneaded by hand (it turned out to be a very difficult event).
Now I am puzzled by the choice of a bread machine, because I no longer want to knead the dough by hand. In this regard, I ask for your help in choosing.
Please advise a bread maker in which it is most convenient and high quality to prepare rye sourdough bread. I think that programmable is better for me, because I love it when everything goes according to my plan
Is it possible to make rye bread in a bread machine according to a three-day recipe?
In the morning, boil rye flour with boiling water so that a stick can stand in the dough; beat out as best as possible, until the dough sticks to the rolling pin, cover with a towel and put in a warm place; beat with flour in the evening and knead well; the next morning knead again, add the leaven and leave until evening; in the evening, knead again and add a handful of candied fruits; on the third morning, make bread and bake, smearing each bread with hot water and rubbing evenly with your hand; who loves - you can sprinkle with anise, caraway or dill seeds.

Maybe you don't need a bread maker for the recipes you describe?
What is there to create in this technology?
When the dough is ready, the oven, for example, is enough.
There are hand mixers with a hook that knead the dough well, there are kneaders.
It's not bad to think or explain, but why do you need bread in this particular technology?
What is the striking advantage? Or is it not (advantages)?
It feels like a mess of information in my head.
For example, a quote about anise, cumin and dill is not at all clear.
Have you tried all these seeds for a "tooth"? One did not write exactly, meaning the same thing caraway and a synonym for it - field anise, but this does not mean anise , this cumin - field anise - Carum carvi (Lat)... It looks like, but no more. And local experts in botany are very fond of developing this "smart" thought by tapping themselves on the chest. One wrote, and the rest like monkeys repeat quoting. This gaiety comes from here: "... BORODINSKY BREAD GOST 5309-50 Technical conditions.
Borodino bread made from a mixture of rye wallpaper flour in the amount of 80%, wheat grade II in the amount of 15%, red rye malt in the amount of 5% with the addition of salt, sugar, molasses and coriander, caraway seeds or anise leavened with or without yeast. "

Here Caraway and Dill, this is understandable - similar taste, and anise, the one that not anise field and especially in Borodino bread, it's just stupidity.


One gets the impression that you have a bad idea of ​​what you want in the end.
Programmable bread makers for sourdough rye bread, including:
1. Bork X800 - equipped with a folding paddle.
Dough rising time 5 hours without kneading.
The price is about 12,500 rubles.
2. Brand 3801 - equipped with electronic scales.
Dough rising time 4.5 hours without kneading.
The price is about 4 500 rubles.

Caraway and anise have only one family - Umbrella; the taste and type of seeds are different; cumin - biennial, anise - annual.
Porridge is most likely in a different head.

Anise


Caraway

I choose HP for parents. I have a Panasonic 254. Now they have grown in price - my parents do not want an expensive one. I study the HP market - and I realized that only Panasonic have the thickest forms?! ... And also tell me the tab of the products yeast, flour, and then liquid - also only at Panasonic. In all other CP, on the contrary - liquid, flour, yeast. Is it very important? And then I'm so used to my HP.
Thank you

the order is not always so rigidly defined. For example, in German HP (Yunold), the usual order is water => flour, but for some options (like for a sweatier dough) it is stipulated that there may be flour => water. I always use the order of Panasonic. But I noticed that if you put flour on top of the liquid in Panasonic (I sometimes make a dough like that), then at the beginning of the kneading it is quite dusty with flour.

The brand is also dusty - but nothing. In the program the dough is provided for - there is a short one - kneading-stop-kneading - and so on for 3 minutes, then vigorously, and the flour has already mixed with the liquid.
If first the liquid, then everything else - it is better for the motor. I now have two HPs - in Panas I always, despite the instructions, first pour the liquid, then I put everything else.

[Bork X800]

Maybe you don't need a bread maker for the recipes you describe?
What is there to create in this technology?
When the dough is ready, the oven, for example, is enough.
There are hand mixers with a hook that knead the dough well, there are kneaders.
It's not bad to think or explain, but why do you need bread in this particular technology?
What is the striking advantage? Or is it not (advantages)?
One gets the impression that you have a bad idea of ​​what you want in the end.
Programmable bread makers for sourdough rye bread, including:
1. Bork X800 - equipped with a folding paddle.
Dough rising time 5 hours without kneading.
The price is about 12,000 rubles.
2. Brand 3801 - equipped with electronic scales.
Dough rising time 4.5 hours without kneading.
The price is about 5 500 rubles.

Vanya, thank you! I will study the instructions and the forum). Although it is somewhat problematic to study fume, important information is not put into the header, and there is no time to read everything, well, I will somehow selectively run through anything. I liked Bork very much, but expensive, Brand gives the impression of flimsy) But I will delve into it.
On the technology side, the 3-day recipe is just one I'm going to try)
So far, I really have a bad idea of ​​what I want in the end, delicious bread for sure, but which one I like best until I try, I don't understand)

Happy New Year everyone, let's together make this year a year of good luck, goodness and creation! Health to you and your loved ones!

[Brand 3801]

... I liked Bork very much, but expensive, Brand gives the impression of being flimsy ) But I will delve into it.
....

About the solidity of the design Brand 3801!
Read here, I asked especially for you, -
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=152895.0

and here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

Today I looked at several HP models on my market. So one moment surprised me: in Binaton 2169 there are riveted heels at the bottom of the bucket - do they in any way affect the integrity of the bucket and the quality of its coating? I do not have such in Panas - that is, from the outside they are, but there is no bucket inside. Aurora also has them - they are even of a different color than the bucket itself. Interesting - maybe this is the norm for not expensive HP models?! ..

Today I bought an electronic scale with a tare zeroing function, called erisson. The scales are there, now it's up to the bread maker. Oh, and I am indecisive! All doubt and doubt.

comrades help pliz the choice of HP in our city is small
what to choose:
Binatone BM 2068
or
Binatone BM 2169

they are not so similar in characteristics, which is better to take? their price is almost the same

comrades help pliz the choice of HP in our city is small
what to choose:
Binatone BM 2068
or
Binatone BM 2169

they are not so similar in characteristics, which is better to take? their price is almost the same

If they are the same, then the one that looks more like it.

comrades help pliz the choice of HP in our city is small
what to choose:
Binatone BM 2068
or
Binatone BM 2169

they are not so similar in characteristics, which is better to take? their price is almost the same

I vote for 2169, because she has a double bucket and I already have her

[Binatone BM-2068, Binatone BM-2168]

comrades help pliz the choice of HP in our city is small
what to choose:
Binatone BM 2068
or
Binatone BM 2169

they are not so similar in characteristics, which is better to take? their price is almost the same

To you right here,
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0
or related topics about these stoves, where you need to look at the program table.
Binatone BM-2068, Binatone BM-2168
Program Time
Knead1 / Mix1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 / Rise2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 / Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-60 minutes

Binatone BM-2169
Program Time
Knead1 / Kneading1 3-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 8-24 minutes
Rise2 / Rise2 1-60 minutes
Rise3 / Rise3 20-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-120 minutes
Binatone BM-2068, Binatone BM-2168 are slightly more convenient for sourdough dough

comrades help pliz the choice of HP in our city is small
what to choose:
Binatone BM 2068
or
Binatone BM 2169

they are not so similar in characteristics, which is better to take? their price is almost the same

The baking size is different. The shapes are different - in 2068 one kneading paddle, in 2169 - two. With two shoulder blades - they say the dough is kneaded better. I looked after the model 2169.

Tell me
1) if the breadmaker is designed for 750 grams, you can load 120 grams more of, say, butter (shortcrust) dough into it for the purpose of kneading the dough, it should fit in, but I'm interested in the motor will it stand?
the dough is thinner than bread
2) how do bread makers knead shortbread dough?

Tell me
1) if the breadmaker is designed for 750 grams, you can load 120 grams more of, say, butter (shortcrust) dough into it for the purpose of kneading the dough, it should fit in, but I'm interested in the motor will it stand?
the dough is thinner than bread
2) how do bread makers knead shortbread dough?

100 g more is possible, you can still make two batches

Hello everyone. Help me choose a bread maker, or on what to leave your choice Moulinex OW 6000 or PANASONIC SD-2501WTS. Thank you all for earlier.

Hello everyone. Help me choose a bread maker, or on what to leave your choice Moulinex OW 6000 or PANASONIC SD-2501WTS. Thank you all for earlier.

In this case, quality and reliability need not be compared.
Only the ignorant can have a choice.
Now I'll post a link to failures for insight and read the relevant topics with problems for each stove, everything will fall into place.
Here is a link, a little messy but clear enough
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0

And don't be stupid.
Success and write if it is not clear.

Hello everyone. Help me choose a bread maker, or on what to leave your choice Moulinex OW 6000 or PANASONIC SD-2501WTS. Thank you all for earlier.

But I will not be ashamed and will say. Of course PANASONIC! Don't even hesitate.

What are the arguments?

Read Dima, read and find these! Everything in the topics has already been written.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=21.0

I bought a Panasonic SD-2501, baked the usual white and rye, everything worked out and I'm happy. Thanks to all.

Bread maker DEX DBM-507
Bread maker DEX DBM-707

Bread maker LIBERTON LBM-04
Bread maker LIBERTON LBM-05

I choose from these for a gift to my friend. There are few reviews. Can you tell me what?

Bread maker DEX DBM-507
Bread maker DEX DBM-707

Bread maker LIBERTON LBM-04
Bread maker LIBERTON LBM-05

I choose from these for a gift to my friend. There are few reviews. Can you tell me what?

And you write how much they cost and copy from the instructions the tables of all the program mode, we will comment on which one to choose from.
Here are some examples of plates:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

Maybe in your city there are other bread machines with a similar price, write.

Something I can't find instructions, I'll try again later.
Dex's price is 507 -600 hryvnia

707-700 hryvnia

Liberton 04 - 500 hryvnia
Liberton 05 - 540 hryvnia

Something I can't find instructions, I'll try again later.
Dex's price is 507 -600 hryvnia

707-700 hryvnia

Liberton 04 - 500 hryvnia
Liberton 05 - 540 hryvnia

Instructions in the store, and on the Internet can be found anywhere. Wouldn't ask if found.

Something I can't find instructions, I'll try again later.
Dex's price is 507 -600 hryvnia

707-700 hryvnia

Liberton 04 - 500 hryvnia
Liberton 05 - 540 hryvnia

instructions on Liberton

Dex request instructions
Deck has a 2-year warranty for the same Saturn ST-EC7774

[alexeyda]

alexeyda , thanks for the help!
I have such a Saturn, very similar to Dex 507. Dex China is alarming, they write a novelty, Saturn -Czech Republic.

Tables of modes, as expected, are absent, apparently due to uselessness.
Saturn, the same Czech Republic, as well as German Bork for example


Liberton LBM_04
1.Basic - Regular bread
2.French - French
3.Whole Wheat - Whole grain bread
4.Quick - Fast food
5.Sweet - Sweet
6.Ultra-Fast 1 - Ultra Fast 1
7.Ultra Fast 2 - Ultra Fast 2
8.Dough - Dough
9.Jam - Jam
10.Cake - Cake
11 Sandwich - Sandwiches
12.Bake - Bake

Liberton LBM_05
1.Basic - Regular bread
2. Quick - Fast food
3. French - French
4.Rapid - Express
5.Whole Wheat - Whole grain bread
6.Sweet - Sweet
7.Dough - Dough
8.Bake - Vipechka
9.Jam - Jam
10.Sandwich - Sandwiches

For example, I don't understand what these modes are for. Just to be?
yy

Liberton LBM_04

6.Ultra-Fast 1 - Ultra Fast 1
7.Ultra Fast 2 - Ultra Fast 2

[Vanya28]

I do not recognize these modes, the main thing is that the main one, Dough and Baking.
Vanya28 , Thank you!
I will think how to please my friend

[alexeyda]

For example, I don't understand what these modes are for. Just to be?
yy

As I understand it, in these modes, the kneading goes immediately, so this mode is convenient for kneading uncomfortable dumplings, pasta, etc.

alexeyda , thanks for the help!
I have such a Saturn, very similar to Dex 507. Dex China is alarming, they write a novelty, Saturn -Czech Republic.

Yes, what is the Czech Republic? We read on the site honestly it is written: In 2000 the company "Saturn Home Appliances s.r.o." was founded in Prague (Czech Republic), whose tasks include the organization of production and sales of household appliances "SATURN".

Household appliances under the SATURN brand are manufactured in China.