Dishwasher selection (2)

the machine is unlikely to recognize dirt ...

It is precisely her, darling, that is technically the easiest to recognize. There is an optical sensor that detects the transparency of the water. Accordingly, the more turbid the water, the longer it takes to wash and vice versa.

[Jefry]

It is precisely her, darling, that is technically the easiest to recognize. There is an optical sensor that detects the transparency of the water. Accordingly, the more turbid the water, the longer it takes to wash and vice versa.

Jefry, and if my machine does not change the time itself, except for the AUTO program, what does this mean? Is she so ancient? Or is it so correct? (I have Kuppersbusch for 10 years)

It is precisely her, darling, that is technically the easiest to recognize. There is an optical sensor that detects the transparency of the water. Accordingly, the more turbid the water, the longer it takes to wash and vice versa.

so how does it recognize the transparency of water, if it has not yet started running water ... in the process, yes - perhaps ...
the time is different when the machine is turned on ..
once 120 minutes is already standing, another time only 108, for example

[Jefry]

Jefry, and if my machine does not change the time itself, except for the AUTO program, what does this mean? Is she so ancient? Or is it so correct? (I have Kuppersbusch for 10 years)

Rather correct. In those days, the estimated service life of the PMM was 15 years, now it is 5.

so how does it recognize the transparency of water, if it has not yet started running water ... in the process, yes - perhaps ...
the time is different when the machine is turned on ..
once 120 minutes already stands, another time only 108, for example

Probably, when turned on, the time of the previous wash is displayed.

Thanks to all.
My car is neff S58M58.
There is an intensive drying in the settings in the programmer, but this is not the one with the fan, it is simply, as I think, warmed up once again.
Both times I used the "auto" program, I have one "45-65".
Based on the above, I will summarize:
Thanks for the advice from my fellow countrywoman (Petersburg woman), now I will buy salt and put it on one.
Yes, the plastic containers were wet (Liebcher's, they went to the refrigerator as a gift), and the castrbl (enameled) was dry. So, they reassured me.
As I understand it, there is no need to change the rinse aid dose. That is, I leave zero!
Regarding the recognition of the means - I had no doubt that some kind of crap. Perhaps they meant an aquasensor that determines the final state of water purity on a car?

And further. Due to the softness of the water, I set the salt to 0 and did not load the salt itself.

For many years I have been using separate products with the following settings, salt, mechanical regulator, at a minimum, electronic at 1, rinse aid at 1, washes perfectly, the plastic dries almost to the end, leaving a few drops. True, I have a turbo dryer. Automatically determines the turbidity of the water and from this sets the time and temperature of the wash. The new PMM also has a sensor that determines the amount of dishes.

salt mechanical regulator at minimum, electronic at 1, rinse aid at 1,

What is a mechanical salt regulator? Rinse aid for 1, does the rinse aid itself have been filled? And if you wash with an All-in-One tablet? And yet, returning to the topic of salt in combination with soft water (or even moderately hard). After all, the tablet already contains salt. Or is it the wrong salt?

What is a mechanical salt regulator? Rinse aid for 1, does the rinse aid itself have been filled? And if you wash it with an All-in-One tablet? And yet, returning to the topic of salt in combination with soft water (or even moderately hard). After all, the tablet already contains salt. Or is it the wrong salt?

The Electrolux has a mechanical salt regulator on the side of the wall. Rinse aid is filled. The pill is for PMM fast food. Everything is averaged out and salt and rinse aid and detergent. I don’t use pills and don’t advise anyone.
PS: If you eat McDonald's all the time there will be problems with digestion, as well as with pills for PMM

Thank you all very much for your answers and advice.
I don't load the dishes chock-full, especially the lower basket, it only holds a couple of pots and a couple of pans.
Nothing in my PMM clogged or clogged.
Tablets wash slightly better, but they are much more expensive than powder.
Mine mostly on the "strongest" program.
Maybe the powder is really forged.

I don't know where to write, I don't want to create a separate topic. We need instructions for the Seimens PM typewriter in Russian. At the office. site, only in English. and other languages. Maybe someone knows such a site. Typewriter b. at. no documents, the former owners have left. I can't deal with her.

What is the Siemens model number?

What is the Siemens model number?

SE55A591 / 22. I found something, but in German, I’m sitting, I understand. If only I could understand the programs. They just give it to us inexpensively, I want to read about it.

Thanks for the answers, I sort of figured out the programs. Now I would like to decide on a place for it. When we ordered the kitchen 5 years ago, the place seemed to be left, but 45 cm., Then we made 5 small drawers there, now there are spoons - forks and all sorts of small things, now the drawers need to be removed and another 15 cm. We want to reduce the sink niche (where there is usually a rubbish bucket), it is large and half empty. Here the husband does not dare to break it all, to cut it. Moreover, the kitchen is all on legs, and the machine is off the floor. If they took 45cm, then there would be fewer problems, but I read a lot and wanted 60cm, we have three children, a lot of dishes. Now I doubt if I did it right? Should I take 60cm. ? The kitchen is almost 5m., So there is where to "roam".

Oh, just don’t say that you need to reread both volumes. Now I’m mentally preparing for the purchase, for the price I liked BEKO DSFN 6530 with half load. Mom's washing machine Beko, probably 8 years old. And the vacuum cleaner came with her as a gift - I also liked it, it still works. Therefore, I have nothing against this brand. I immediately decided to take a full-size one, so that later I would not bite my elbows

8 years ago, BEKO and INDEZIT, ARISTON, etc. were slightly different, and did not collect them anywhere ... with a hammer and a chisel

annnushka27 do not hesitate 60 cm just for your family ..
I have a BOSH 45cm, with a full load I have to choose either pots or pans

There was no place for a dishwasher in my kitchen. For a long time I could not decide what to do. I really wanted a built-in 60 cm dishwasher. But in the near future, the replacement of furniture did not fit into the budget, and there was no moral strength to wait for this budget to be replenished. So here I am from the old kitchen. the headset pulled out a narrow pencil case, and in its place was a 45 cm ordinary dishwasher. Then we have a gas stove, there are riser gas. pipes and not really moving furniture, because the stove is tied to one place. It's been 2 years already, I was convinced that I made the right decision. My kitchen is small 5 sq. m, so a large dishwasher would take up a lot of space, and I already have nowhere to put my kitchens. bells and whistles. And there are only two of us in the family. But if the family is bigger and there is a place, I would recommend a large dishwasher. I have Zanussi.

I have Zanussi.

Oh, so she (that is, her muzzle) is 45 cm wide? Then I can throw out the 45cm locker even today!

PS Somewhere there is a summary of the forum: what functions are vital for a dishwasher? This is the kind of thing that people buy for more than one year. Saving money comes second, functionality comes first

Hello, help with advice, today it seems like I chose a dishwasher model-BOSH SPV63M00ru in the store, but I came home, read reviews on the Internet, not very much, many are unhappy, does anyone have such a model, what can you say?

Now I would like to decide on a place for it. When we ordered the kitchen 5 years ago, the place seemed to be left, but 45 cm., Then we made 5 small drawers there, there are now spoons - forks and all sorts of small things, now the drawers need to be removed and another 15 cm to "search". We want to reduce the sink niche (where there is usually a rubbish bucket), it is large and half empty. Here the husband does not dare to break it all, cut it. Moreover, the kitchen is all on legs, and the machine is off the floor. If they took 45cm, then there would be fewer problems, but I read a lot and wanted 60cm, we have three children, a lot of dishes. Now I doubt if I did it right? Should I take 60cm. ? The kitchen is almost 5m., So there is where to "roam".

At one time, the 45-centimeter PMM did not fit me either. Drawers threw out nafig. The husband moved the partition between the compartments of the headset table under the countertop to the left, reducing the niche under the sink. It's not as scary as it might seem. And you are doing the right thing that you are going to take a full-size PMM. We have a family of 3 people. But utensils -. Now I wash EVERYTHING in the car. Well, except for the non-stick pots and pans. Has ceased to be afraid to wash plastic. And my machine works from 1 (this is when I am alone) to 6 (!!!) times a day. So, rather decide and buy. Good luck!

of course, but I'll buy other dishes later.

And it's also fun to troll the sellers of china shops about the possibility of washing in PMM

Usually sellers are shocked by such a question. I was looking for spoons recently, not a single intelligible answer. I insisted on bringing the packaging and I myself read the manufacturer's recommendations, they did not even consider it necessary to know this information. And on the packaging or on the label there are usually recommendations whether or not to wash in the dishwasher.

Where are the sellers if they bring me a dishwasher and say - well, finally, someone's you bought it, it's so cool

I ask - what's so cool?
- And we rarely buy them, 1-2 pieces a year!

Although the store is running, the prices are pleasant, but alas

- And we rarely buy them, 1-2 pieces a year!

I can say from my relatives and friends that only I have PMM. That's it. My mom was categorically against this purchase. And this is the 21st century!

[Nat_ka]

I can say from my relatives and friends that only I have PMM. That's it. My mom was categorically against this purchase. And this is the 21st century!

Usually they say "You will not believe", but in this case - Nat_ka - you will definitely believe

It was just a film commendation - it came to me with my parents to a mini-war !!! ?? !!! Mom was especially concerned !!!
She pounded me - what for I buy it! Why do I need it, I’ll wash the dishes with my hands early on, but at their place of work, no one, no one, never, yes, this PMM-crap-some kind of and she eats electricity and water ...

- Mom, well, you have access to the Internet, well, read it, look - someone regrets the purchase, someone writes - "I don't need it at all and I enjoy my hands all day long" ?? ?? ??

Do you know the answer?
- Not in your position to start a PMM!

Oh, how it covers, not technology, so at least morally crush
And I had a renovation from scratch, every penny counts, but I bought the PMM very first, we lived and ate in an empty apartment, washed ourselves with cold water over a bucket, but we could already eat humanly and waste energy not on dishes, but to complete the repair.

After that, I told my parents that I, yes, I'm already an adult and I can buy what I think is necessary, and behind the scenes we don't return to this issue anymore, so that there is peace in the family

Now they come to visit me, and everything sparkles with me, every stainless steel, enamel, every glass shines, and I say with pride - this is my PMMochka worked hard, but they are silent, they won't say a word, my stubborn old people

Exactly the same story happened when, in '85, I persuaded my mother to buy a Vyatka-automatic machine. Then "Riga" with a roller spinning or "Aurika" with a centrifuge was considered the norm. Nobody needed the machines, they were sold at a discount, no one took them anyway.And in our time, no one wants to wring out duvet covers with handles.

Because our women from time immemorial have been so accustomed to cleaning, washing, cooking, etc. for the whole family. ...

I can say from my relatives and friends that only I have PMM.

Likewise! Although there are among them with much higher income

- Not in your position to start a PMM!

I also heard, though not from my mother (my father probably swore in the shower, or maybe not in his soul, I can't say for sure.). And my mother, if not for the distance, would have washed her saucepans a long time ago, and everything with handles, in the old fashioned way.

And in our time, no one wants to wring out duvet covers with handles.

Believe it or not, I still meet people who wash especially dirty things by hand, feel sorry for the machine. From the first day I bought the washing machine, my husband's overalls were washed only in it, and he had them, hoo ... Once in winter he opened it, everything inside was clean.
so let us have as many things as possible to facilitate housework, and we will find something to do in our free time

Years .... ago, I myself thought the dishwasher was useless. But now I can't imagine life without her. Moreover, when the machine broke down, the husband was the first to run to buy a new one, only so that during the repair of the machine he would not wash the dishes with his hands.

Exactly the same story happened when, in '85, I persuaded my mother to buy a Vyatka-automatic machine. Then "Riga" with a roller spinning or "Aurika" with a centrifuge was considered the norm. Nobody needed the machines, they were sold at a discount, no one took them anyway. And in our time, no one wants to wring out duvet covers with handles.

Oh, exactly, exactly! When I bought a Vyatka -automatic device, the people did not understand at all what it was. No one had or even heard of it. Friends in my address at the temple twisted. And so it was!

Inside view

I will not quote the last 2 pages of the forum, it is already clear that my story will be similar! The reaction to the purchase decision was like this Well, nothing, with the rest of the devices it was almost the same, and this battle will be even hotter I am not lazy in terms of cooking and cleaning the house, I am modern

oh, exactly, battle for devices. Senya gave her mother 1.5 liters of baked milk from SV and gave half a pot of borscht, and I brag about how fast and cool it is. So she made such interesting eyes and says, what do you mean you bought a multicooker in vain? And when I bought myself an MB, so what it was, but now everyone praises the dishes from it.

Mom was especially concerned !!!
She pounded me - what for I buy it! why do I need it, I will still wash the dishes with my hands anyway,

My mother, seeing how I put the plates in the PMM, asked with some contempt in her voice: "Can't you wash 3 plates with your hands?" I told her that, firstly, I didn’t have 3 plates, but secondly, I could do it with my hands, but I DO NOT WANT.

Yes, I look - everyone is almost the same - at first they talk about you behind your back - they say, ish, you are lazy, he won’t even wash the dishes - spends time at the manicure ... And then, when they see this miracle, they start to envy - who’s in a voice , and who quietly, continuing to talk aloud about lazy people! I dreamed of a dishwasher for a long time, especially when I started baking cakes to order - I thought that the dishes were washed at least EIGHT TIMES! (I don’t really like to wash it anyway, and even in such a situation, even more so), I began to think about what kind of cabinet to donate for it, since the desktop was not even discussed ... Therefore, as soon as we bought a new apartment, the first purchase was it is the dishwasher. By the way, my husband did not say a word to me - he was already used to the fact that I constantly buy all sorts of different bells and whistles and he already among his subordinates (and with fathers-in-law) easily conducts seminars on the benefits of all kinds of multicooker and bread makers.But my mother and father-in-law. How is this, why is it, etc.Well, they got me, and I conducted a sociological survey - do you often wash dishes at home? And what happened? Mom's dishes are mostly washed by dad (he is retired and works a couple of hours a week, and works at home), but the father-in-law does not wash it at all! Parasites, eaten the entire nervous system! True, now the mother is quietly casting a fishing rod - can I bring you dishes? And the father-in-law is simply silent, he understands that it is more dear to his daughter-in-law (although rather with his son - he read the moral to all of them!) To argue ...

A question for the happy owners of this miracle technique: do you rinse the dishes before loading them into the PMM? And it turns out that you need to cleanse the food debris, rinse it, then load it and wash it with my hands for such a time ... And yet, I looked at the Boshevsky dishwashers in the store, almost the same, only different temperature conditions, in one up to 60 degrees , in another one you can wash at 70 degrees, the difference in price is about 3 thousand, is the washing program at 70 degrees really necessary?

I wash my mesh at 70 degrees once a year. never wash anything again

about rinsing - I just throw the bones into a bucket and rake the large ones with a fork, there are the remnants of the salad, etc. Well, this is how I would do it when washing manually.

the quality of washing in PMM cannot be compared with washing manually.

for example, there will never be such yellow residues at the place where the handles are attached and in the holes of the ornament:

At 70 degrees, the PMM washes more powerfully old smoked pots and pans. I use it occasionally when, for example, a frying pan burns badly due to my oversight.

Please tell me who has the PMM installation and the facade is screwed on painted MDF - what is the condition of the facade along the upper side?

A month later, on the right side of me, the top began to crack and swell from moisture, somewhere about 6 centimeters of such a miracle, and somehow so suddenly - once I noticed, before that I did not pay attention.
On the left side, while the condition is normal.

Interestingly, simply - this MDF does not withstand at all? Or was it a defective cover for me?

in general, and I think 60 degrees will suit me. but about plaque in hard-to-reach places, especially around the handle of saucepans, yes, I probably just want to buy a dishwasher because of this. Only after reading the reviews, I was a little upset, many say that the pots are poorly washed (((

louisa
PMM is not a magic wand no need to wait for miracles. It's like a washing machine, it washes well, but you also need to apply your hands, stains or heavy dirt ...
julifera

I have a built-in and painted facades, but at the ends the edge is made of PVC, while everything holds ..

Interestingly, simply - this MDF does not withstand at all? Or was it a defective cover for me?

Rather, there is a problem with the PMM door seal. I have ordinary MDF, not painted, but there are no signs of external influences for three years of operation.

[julifera]

julifera maybe you get it from the steam when you open the PM

I have PM for more than half a year, frame facades, so far everything is fine
but I try not to open it immediately after washing - it soars strongly

I also try not to open it, except that I opened it a couple of times at the beginning - I just got acquainted with the typewriter, but after all, it did not go across the entire width, but only in one place it went ...

Yes, just a nuisance came out during the installation of the kitchen, I think this could be the fault of everything:

My pens were not there, and they delivered temporarily similar ones with a promise to replace them as soon as they received.
Well, the PMM door was jammed onto double-sided tape, and then just screwed on with screws.
And when the handles were changed, this door was barely torn off from the tape.
Well, I didn't know what could happen with such actions, then a week later I saw a crack in the MDF from the bottom of the side, well, I think there won't be a couple, it is not noticeable, we will survive. But apparently a microcrack formed from above, and then it grew in the process, moisture and hot steam got in.
And now try to bend these furniture makers and prove that they were the ones who fooled the door by private traders and not a firm, I will try to change the facade, it's just such a pity, such a chic kitchen and you are wearing so much trouble due to absurd negligence ...

Warned is forearmed - when installing the facade on the PMM, check immediately for microcracks, and not like me, who knew:

And as always, I was not lucky!
After reading the reviews here, I decided to purchase PMM BEKO DIS 5831. I have been using it for six months. I'm not just not happy, I'm disappointed in her.It washes dishes poorly, traces of not even dried food remain, not much, but remain. Washing broth rims from pots is out of the realm of fantasy, I'm not talking about carbon deposits from pans. Half of the cutlery (mostly spoons) are covered with rusty dots (apparently not suitable for washing in PMM).
I really hoped I had just picked a bad powder. Now we bought SOMAT (at a price similar to Finish), salt and Finish rinse aid, but the quality of the wash has not improved.
Can someone suggest another detergent.

I have a machine too Veko only model 6830 I am delighted with it !!!!!! Washes everything with a bang, provided that the dishes are located correctly. Soap and tablets and powder, I liked the powder better) and I’m not buying the most expensive one (I don’t remember the name) for only one minute: there is no signal about the end of work and I can’t understand it turns itself off if I didn’t find it in the instructions ((((( (

And I didn't quite understand why it was necessary to glue the facade with self-adhesive? Usually brackets are screwed to the facade, on which it will then hang. The screws on the sides only slightly fix it, but they do not bear the load. Maybe it is the wrong fastening that distorts the door and a gap appears through which the steam comes out.

Usually brackets are screwed to the facade, on which it will then hang.

Is there any photo of this - what does the correct mount with brackets look like?

That's not all - they didn't even stick the foil tape, I went up and asked why the tape was lying on the sidelines.
And, here it is, here you need it, that one, we will stick it right now and stuck it at random.
I glued the drip-collecting seam, although it is moisture resistant, but there was an open strip of the countertop along the PMMki sealing gum.
I'm afraid to rip it off, re-glue it, suddenly it will break everything, fragile. I don't know, I can buy a separate roll and stick it on top so that it gets under the rubber band, but it's inconvenient of course to push it under it when everything is already built in and screwed to the sides.
But this tape is not cheap, it's a shame that everything is so negligent if I understood ... I would have done everything myself, so all the doors were then aligned themselves.

Here I read:

"Different manufacturers have different things. But there is a common principle - two stages of fastening.
The first one is preliminary (adjustable) - it is either with Velcro, or with plastic brackets or metal. hinges.
The second fastener is of the "tightly" type - through the PMM doors with self-tapping screws. "

Apparently Beko with Velcro is so ...