Dishwasher selection (2)

[VerinikaBurik]

VerinikaBurik, don't be afraid! Just put your one and a half plates there, start the unit and go to drink tea, not giving a damn about the amount of water that will go away when washing either a whole load or half. This is much less traumatic for the body than thinking about such nonsense with a delicate female brain. Trust me!
For all-round convenience of life, you need not half load, but the ability to wash in a short time. I have it for 30 minutes at 60 degrees. And the lowest possible noise level plus the best energy efficiency class.
And all these half, eco and auto - from the crafty one. This I tell you, as an eternally choosing only after careful analysis, I say.

and the ability to wash in a short time.

My PMM has such a VarioSpeed ​​function. Cuts any washing program in half. If the program is 3 hours, then it washes one and a half hours, if the program is 2 hours, then it washes 1 hour. At the same time, maintaining all stages of washing and - importantly - high temperature.

not half load needed,

I agree, half load is about 20% savings - nonsense ...

[VerinikaBurik]

VerinikaBurik, in my car there is a half load, I used it exactly 3 times in 5 or 6 years, don't even bother, it's not worth it. Much more convenient and more important, as already mentioned above, is the ability to reduce the program time or simply have a short program. Well, for me personally, it is more convenient for me to use programs with a temperature of 65 and 70 degrees and use less powder, I also used the 55 degrees program 5 times maximum

I am glad that I listened to experienced users and bought a PMM for 60 (we are two adults). Also a machine with Vario Speed ​​program.
But on holidays everything fits, and sometimes not everything fits (the mantle, for example).

I would like to save water, so we look at inexpensive models in full, up to 30,000, and they are all gluttonous in terms of light and water, the models are old, or China, such as Medea, but I am afraid to take such. I looked at two options, Bosch with a half load, or Electrolux, there is no half load, but she, in principle, is not as gluttonous as Bosch, and her door opens by itself, I don’t know who to choose, her head is already spinning and her husband always knocks, throws something to Medea for the same money but better for bells and whistles, then Hans, there is also more of everything, but again the assembly of China confuses

[VerinikaBurik]

VerinikaBurik, read the comments too, maybe it will help the choice 🔗

I have it for 30 minutes at 60 degrees. And the lowest possible noise level plus the best energy efficiency class.

Ol, that's honest, I can't understand how in 30 minutes you can heat up the water, wash, rinse. I do not believe! And be economical at the same time. Does this exist in nature?
None of my PMMs (Milka, Asko) have quick washes.
Yes, but they last an hour and a half. And separately heated rinsing is possible - 20 minutes.
I use everywhere only a car wash for 2-3 hours per night. Both cars for 14 sets, which is very happy.
By the way, a 45 cm machine will be more expensive than 60 cm.You will load more dishes into a full-size one

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, Ol, why can't it? For example, no more than 11 liters are consumed for the entire washing cycle, and this is in older models. In new ones, the expense is even less stated. Most of it goes for rinsing, less for heating. Heats up quickly.
I have had Boshi all my life, now Bosch has bought it to the south too. I use Vario Speed ​​all the time. It happens that you need to quickly at least rinse before leaving or leaving. Washes perfectly, the time is reduced.If you open it right away, it's hot dishes, so I believe that the temperature regime is observed even when the operating time is reduced.

[Rada-dms]

Rada-dms, Olya, this is all clear, but if you heat up in a short time, then the heating should be more intense, and how this is related to efficiency is not clear.
I have 9 liters. 11 liters at a very full load and she herself decides already)))

[OlgaGera]

Ol, that's honest, I can't understand how in 30 minutes you can heat up water, wash, rinse. I do not believe! And be economical at the same time. Does this exist in nature?

OlgaGera, it is quite possible to heat it, a kettle of 2.7 liters, for example, heats water to boiling water in 3 minutes, and why a machine cannot 10-15 liters in 7-10 minutes up to 60? The rest of the time is mine, rinse. I have this program without drying. And, most importantly, for me - speed. So I cooked and cooked in the morning and I want to wash a bunch of dishes right away, and not at night, then this program is the thing. Half an hour and you will not notice how it has passed, but the dishes are already clean, everything is laid out in its places and the machine is free to use.
Eco for 50 C washes 3-50! I have not looked, but I think that in terms of water and energy costs, these two modes are comparable. Only now I’ll hardly run it during the day. Auto and gentle also wash for a long time, the shortest (and if you press 1/2) - 1 hour 40 minutes. For me, the most valuable resource is time.

Girls, what do you think of the manufacturer Hotpoint ariston? Should you trust the quality of technology? I have nothing of this company

I have this program without drying

and without rinsing? That is what I have, but not in demand. Only occasionally. I do not like to get wet dishes

Girls, what do you think of the manufacturer Hotpoint ariston? Should you trust the quality of technology? I have nothing of this company

my first was Ariston. And there was something wrong with her, the drain pump did not work well, they suffered for a month and changed to another brand.
But that was a long time ago, 18 years ago. Perhaps a defective car just got caught.

Hotpoint ariston

Quality as lucky, especially in recent years

I have Hansa, assembly Poland, I like it. There is a half load, I used it a couple of times. Short programs 40 and 60 minutes, but the wash is medium, 60 dries poorly. If you need it faster, put the "glass", it is exactly 2 hours. But there is no separate rinse.

[VerinikaBurik]

Yesterday they brought me a PM from IKEA, called RENGERA. She washed the dishes yesterday for me perfectly. The warranty is 5 years, everything that looked other. The warranty is basically 1 year. My broken one worked a little over 8 years. My other old typewriter (not built-in) Indesit (she is about 11 years old) continues to work with my mother.



VerinikaBurik, Veronica, you have IKEA nearby, can you see their cars, they are at different prices.

To replace ESF4151 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in....0
I bought Electrolux ESL94655RO, we just connected it in admiration, I will unsubscribe for the quality of the sink later.
Of course, there are a lot of bells and whistles, the main criterion when choosing was noiselessness, noise level 44dB, still pleasantness, a beam on the floor in the form of a display with the remaining time until the end of washing

Ours works almost as much.
Does it fit much more into 45 cm in volume?
Did you have to remodel the kitchen? This is the main problem for me. And you would have changed it for a long time. For a family of 4 people, the desktop is not enough for me.
Write something else in comparison with the old

[Maria]

Maria, The new one is the same in width - 45cm, the old one was not a desktop one, but a freestanding one, with a removable cover for embedding under the tabletop

Did you have to remodel the kitchen?

No, you just need to order a facade, that's a snag with it, the manufacturer (intermediary) of the kitchen is not interested, dynamite.
It's difficult to compare with the old one, you need to test it. At first glance, automatic door opening after washing, additional drying, time indicator on the floor, noticeably quieter, user mode, cabinet light, FlexiWash (different washing settings for the upper and lower basket) upper basket with QuickiLift height adjustment

Sorry, I Google the wrong one.
First, I googled a compact desktop.

[Maria]

Maria, Not a problem, there will be questions, I will try to answer them

I supplement the review on the quality of the washer-drying, ESL94655RO washes perfectly, no worse than the old woman, dries a little worse plastic, 4+ is affected by a different drying principle, the old PMM has a turbo dryer, the new heat exchanger and an open door, I will try to increase the dosage of rinse aid

Good afternoon everyone. Bought my daughter-in-law PMM Bosch, an insert. Model Spv50E70eu / 45. This is her first dishwasher in her life. Instructions in English. Maybe someone has such a model or similar and there is an instruction in Russian. Please share. We found some instructions on the Internet, in PDF format, but a very stripped-down version and it seems like not exactly for this model. But this is now done for everyone at once. But what was cut is very bad, a lot of important things were simply missed. For example, it did not include how to change the setting for the amount of rinse aid dispensed and some other important points. At my home PMM VEKO, by analogy, intuition and that half-hearted instruction yesterday, the daughter-in-law launched it, it seems everything is fine so far, but it may have to be adjusted when buying another rinse aid, or the hardness seems to have been set, but perhaps not quite so, it will have to be changed.

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[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, Sveta, Thank you! The model is not quite mine according to the link, but I found one for mine on this site. but there, however, in English, the same as in our paper version, but I made the translation into Russian with the right mouse button, in principle, already readable.

[Mona1]

Mona1, Tanya, found it in РDF too, but did not give a link. There is another resource with instructions, but I don’t remember what it’s called, but if necessary, I’ll look. Write if necessary

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, yes, I think that's enough, thanks again!
By the way, about Boshik. Compared to my Veko, he is generally quiet. ))) But, however, it is built into the furniture, and I don't have Veko. But still, it works so quietly that they listened at the beginning of the cycle. There is a ray on the floor, but silence.)) And I was also surprised that there is only one compartment for the powder. And Veko has two: the main one, which opens when the rinsing before washing has already passed. And there is a small one next to it, from which a powder immediately pours out for rinsing the dishes before washing. But I have expensive powder, German Denkmit, so I don’t pour anything into this small compartment, the toad presses to spend Denkmit, but I just drip a bit of ordinary dishware on the door in our forum known way.
By the way, about the German powder. I usually pack it from a pack into empty dry bottles from large shampoos or other bottles of some kind. I somehow was away from home for a week, visiting relatives. I come - half a bottle (a bottle of about 700 ml.) Of the powder disappeared. It turned out that my husband thought it was a powder for washing clothes, we would also bottle it up right away so that there was less smell from the bags. Well, he confused, although the bottles for Denkmit were very specific, I showed them to him a hundred times. Well, sclerosis, probably))) In general, shirts are washed with a bang the powder for PMM!))



Another question arose from the daughter-in-law. After washing, the dishes are soapy to the touch with wet hands. Does this mean you need to make more rinse aid in the settings? Or is it to change the salt settings? I put the powder to a minimum. Mode - Auto.

[Tanya]

TanyaHere is the PMM on the offsite and instructions

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After washing, the dishes are soapy to the touch with wet hands.

Reduce rinse aid

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Alexander, Thank you! And here's another interesting thing. There is such a round lid on the side wall. In the CENTURY salt is displayed there. In Boch, the instructions do not even mention this manual adjustment, even this item is not drawn in the picture. Adjustment by electronics only. This means that there is nothing to manually climb there, right?

Adjustment by electronics only. This means that there is nothing to manually climb there.

That's right, in many PMM this is a drying hole using a heat exchanger

in many PMM this is a drying hole using a heat exchanger

Like this? Isn't drying with the help of a heat exchanger the deposition of drops on the side wall (for Bosch it is the left one), because before drying it is filled with cold water and this wall is much colder than the others?

Like this?

Intensive drying (with heat exchanger)
Intensive drying is a recent development. In intensive drying with a heat exchanger, air also circulates inside the wash cabinet, speeding up the drying process. However, this is not due to the fan, but due to the difference in pressure.
There are special openings on the dishwasher body next to the water collector for collecting air. Since it is hot inside the cabinet and cold in the sump, a pressure difference arises, due to which the air circulates, blowing over the drying dishes.
This is what a heat exchanger looks like

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the photo shows a large opening leading into the office and closing with a decorative grill

Intensive drying is a recent development. In intensive drying with a heat exchanger, air also circulates inside the washing cabinet, speeding up the drying process. However, this is not due to the fan, but due to the difference in pressure.
There are special openings on the dishwasher body next to the water collector for collecting air. Since it is hot inside the cabinet and cold in the sump, a pressure difference arises, due to which the air circulates, blowing over the drying dishes.

Hmm ... I have to dig ... I've never heard of such an option. I thought that Bosch only had zeolite related to more or less intensive drying with a fan. But he certainly has existed for a long time, and this is something new you say ..

It is interesting how the collection of water outside the chamber is arranged, you need to see the explosive drawings, or something. And so we scattered ours and removed the heat exchanger for flushing.

there are special openings next to the water collector for collecting air.

And what is the catchment? A bowl under a filter, or what? And how can you collect air?