Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

good day !!! We bought HP Panasonic 2502, baked white bread, kulich, Darnitsa bread, they all worked out, but recently we tried rye bread with malt. Program # 7, but it didn't work out here, the bread was covered with a hard crust, but inside it was wet and sticky.
Please tell me what to fix.
Thank you in advance!!!

but it didn't work out

What recipe did you make?

[See HERE]

on the first page of the topic there is a link to the problem with the recipe from the instructions.

Attention! There is an error in the recipe in the "native" instructions for Panasonic - the amount of water in rye bran bread. See HERE

This is my first option, but you will immediately see it if you look during the batch ... But if you look into the oven during kneading, then what's the point of the bread machine. Threw everything and left, you come home, and there is fresh bread.

And the trick is that the recipes are designed for a certain standard of flour. Yes, only our flour is different.

Flour producers are different, grain quality, storage and transportation conditions, conditions in your kitchen - all this affects flour moisture. At different times, from 280 to 360 ml of water could go for 500 g of flour - this is with the standard in the recipe 320. Wow, the difference?

It is advisable to make sure at least a couple of times that your flour absorbs just as much water as in the recipe. Or determine the actually needed amount.
When you determine that your flour really requires a prescription amount of water, then it will be possible to "throw it up, turn it on, come in 4 hours later, get good bread."

This is my first option, but you will immediately see it if you look during the batch ... But if you look into the oven during kneading, then what's the point of the bread machine. Threw everything and left, you come home, and there is fresh bread.

The trick is that the bun must be monitored, otherwise the bread will be constantly different due to the "instability" of the flour. Moreover, when bread did not work for the first time, why not collect "information for the correct diagnosis"

[what is the trick of the bread machine]

But if you look into the stove during kneading then what is the trick of the bread machine... Threw everything and left, you come home, and there is fresh bread.

The difference is that the x / stove is a pile of glands stuffed with programs "step to the right, step to the left - it will not work."
And yeast dough is a living organism, it has its own rules, like any living organism, it is in free flight and dictates, shows us when it's enough to knead, how much to ferment and bake.

This x / stove will swallow the tough dough, and eventually give out a brick in four hours.
And the living dough will not rise, and with all its appearance it will show that it is bad, it does not have the strength to rise - only this needs to be noticed in time and if you need to help it, fix the problem - believe me, it will be grateful for the care.

You need to be able to feel the dough! With eyes, hands, head!

Hello dear Panasonic owners!
Please help me decide whether to buy a stove 2502. In principle, I read its characteristics, more or less understood what it is. But I would like to know her weaknesses.
1. How good is the bucket cover?
2. How well do the dispensers work?
3. How durable do you think the mechanical bucket assembly is?
4. Is the stainless steel body hot when baking?
5. How convenient is the case in use and maintenance (is it covered with stains from hands, etc., does not darken / turn yellow, etc.)?
6. Other, in your opinion, weaknesses of this stove?

I ask these questions because.I understand that not a single unit can be perfect, and I would like to be prepared in advance for some "imperfections".

Sorry to ask these questions, because I am sure that the answers can be found in the topic. But the fact is that you need to make a decision "quickly and urgently", there is no time to read all three sections of the topic, so I decided to ask you

About myself: I am not quite a beginner baker and for about two years there has been a simple Scarlett, who, as I understand from the statements of many Panasonic owners, is a zaprozhet in comparison with Panasonic.

Thanks in advance to all who responded

[plastic]

Hello dear Panasonic owners!

Hello! I will answer only general questions, since I have a 2500th. And I am satisfied
So:
1 - the quality of the bucket cover is high. Almost two years of regular use - not a single scratch. Inside. Dry thoroughly with a soft cloth. Outside - alas, I did not bother and just wiped it off without much fanaticism. No scratches, but whiter than new
2 - I don’t know, because I don’t need them. They say that someone has how. And they work in different ways: from a shot from a silent pistol, to the thunder of the Akatsiya howitzer and after that the car alarm goes off within a radius of 1.5 ... 2 km (joke ).
3 -
4 - I think no more than plastic. After all, the 2502nd plastic the case is wrapped with a stainless steel
a) shine of metal for iron lovers and to match the kitchen;
b) for greater importance;
C) for blowing out babos that way for a thousand or two.
d) no more INTO and fans of this chip will add (maybe warms the soul). Lagri-Mashenka
5 - mine does not turn yellow, but a piece of iron
6 -
Good luck to you!

very quiet signal of the end of baking or the time to put in raisins, nuts, sausages and

Only models without a dispenser have a signal for stuffing, which means that the 2502 should not have it at all.

I'll take it out in a minute.

[variety]

variety, I just have a model 2502, I have been using it for almost 2 years. The bread maker is excellent, for me she is the best. The coating of the bucket is very good and for the entire time of work in the condition as bought. Dispensers work as expected, there were no incidents at all. Here everyone writes that the yeast dispenser works loudly, but for me it is not so. We are used to it and do not notice much, our nerves are strong. The bucket assembly is still normal and I think if used correctly, it will last a long time. The body of the stove is not very hot, it has never been burned. There are no stains on the stove, because I make sure that they are not there, I wipe them sometimes. Do you think if it's white, then you don't need to wipe it? (joke) Nothing turns yellow by the stove. I did not notice the weaknesses of the stove at all. I even got used to equalizing the temperature and sometimes I even use this time to prepare ingredients for placing in the stove. The stove is super rr! You can safely take it. Happy decision to you!

[Vitaly]

After all, the 2502nd plastic case is wrapped with a stainless piece of iron for
a) shine of metal for iron lovers and to match the kitchen;
b) for greater importance;
C) to blow out babos that way for a thousand or two.
d) more and more fans of this chip will add (maybe warms the soul). Lagri-Mashenka Details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=197192.0

Vitaly, my stove 2502 is still the best and prettier for me, no matter how joking. I don't mind an extra thousand for her.

[Mashenka]

Mashenka, Sun! May it be so! I don't mind!

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[Wit]

Wit, Lagri, thanks for answers.
But now I read the topic Problems and breakdowns x / p Panasonic and I am completely confused! There are so many problems with these new models! Grinding, twitching, poor fixation of the bucket, problems with opening / closing dispensers, bending mixer for rye bread !!! Is it PANASONIC ?! Dear, eminent and seemingly reliable Panasonic?
What then should you buy? I was already clearly tuned in to 2502 (it is for shares and at a price it turns out the same as 2501 costs). And now, it turns out that these stoves are not at all the "proud eagle Panas" to whom they sing odes?

I HAVE 2501 AND I SING ODE, I LIKE EVERYTHING, USE THE SECOND YEAR.

I am completely confused!

You have to understand how many breakdowns there are for the number of workers ... I've had it for over a year. Constantly at work. And I can't imagine HOW it is possible to bend the dough mixer ... There is a saying: a running major causes panic among the troops ...

[variety]

There are so many problems with these new models! Grinding, jerking, poor fixation of the bucket, problems with opening / closing dispensers, bending stirrer for rye bread !!!

variety, there was a time when they complained about it, but lately it seems to have calmed down. And problems with opening dispensers are rare. The ingredient dispenser just needs to be washed periodically, and the yeast dispenser is how it works. Bucket fixation and twitching can be checked in the store. I actually bought and did not check anything, since they just brought them to the store's warehouse (there was a delivery), while everything is working. The stove was completely packed in tight cellophane, it was unpacked for the first time in my presence in order to get documents. On the Internet, I would buy only by self-pickup, that is, if there is a store of this online store in the city. A bending mixer for rye bread (I also had it), but I probably kneaded the dough very steep, and I don't use it at all, because I rarely bake pure rye bread, and the basic one is suitable for rye-wheat bread. So do not be very scared and do not expect bad, think about the good. I went through several different brands of bread makers. Many good ones, but Panasonic is the best for me. In general, all stoves are good if they are used correctly and thriftily, without violating the instructions. And more often, after all, how - first they use, and then if anything - they look at the instructions.

And I can't imagine HOW it is possible to bend a dough mixer ...

This is a scallop mixer for rye dough, it bends for many, not for all of course. I didn’t bend it on purpose, but I often baked rye bread and the dough was cool, I guess. Or maybe this metal got caught, God knows. So just imagine, it happens ...

This is a scallop mixer for rye dough, it bends for many, not for all of course. I didn’t bend it on purpose, but I often baked rye bread and the dough was cool, I guess.

+1 so my mixer bent a little bit, but I continue to use it. It is not completely bent in half, but the geometry is just a little violated, it does not affect work yet.
I have 2501 in general, I am satisfied with it, I did not notice any other problems or incorrect work.

Hello to all bakers.
Stove 2502. I read the forum - but found no answers. and the questions are:

1. At the initial stage of kneading, something clicks loudly two or three times. This is normal?
2. Is it possible not to take the bread out of the oven after it beeps 8 times? for example there is no one at home?

I have a model 2502, I bought it a few weeks ago, I'm very happy.
Advise recipes (cupcake or what else can I bake?
For example white bread (roll)

[Afrikan]

Afrikan, the yeast dispenser clicks at the start of the batch, this is normal. But you need to get the bread right away. Once I did not have time to return at the right time, and the bread lay in the oven for about an hour. Nothing terrible happened, although the bread dried a little, but remained edible. And it may still burn.

the yeast dispenser clicks at the start of the batch, this is normal.

got it. Thank you! )

1. At the initial stage of kneading, something clicks loudly two or three times. This is normal?
2. Is it possible not to take the bread out of the oven after it beeps 8 times? for example no one is at home?

1. And I noticed such a pattern - if I did not close the dispensary after the contents fell out (for example, raisins, I have Panassonic-2501), then the bread will be with a sloping roof. Apparently it blows - cold air from outside enters through the hole. Now I always try to close the dispensary after the release.
2. Regarding the bread left in the HP after the end of the program, I am not satisfied with the slightly soaked bottom

Wondering how the bread can burn at the end of the program?

There are advantages to taking out the bread some time after the end of the program.You don’t disturb the bread until its structure has strengthened (freshly baked bread still has its own ripening processes, when it’s better not to “turn over” the bread), the crust sweats slightly, softens and the stirrer is guaranteed to pop out of the bread by itself (warm bread has a crust on free air dries quickly). Well, do not bother with the hot form, that is, there is no risk of getting burned.

You have to understand how many breakdowns there are for the number of workers ... I've had it for over a year. Constantly at work. And I can't imagine HOW it is possible to bend the dough mixer ... There is a saying: a running major causes panic among the troops ...

Valentine, this is not my quote, I am quite happy with my stove.

this is not my quote

Duc I understood ... It's just that the person was so perplexedly worried. I remembered buying my first car. And, by the way, I was not allowed to test the stove in the store. The way home seemed so long ... But everything turned out to be successful ... Of course, this is not 200 rubles ...

You have to understand how many breakdowns there are for the number of workers ... I've had it for over a year. Constantly at work. And I can't imagine HOW it is possible to bend the dough mixer ... There is a saying: a running major causes panic among the troops ...

You, of course, are right, but, unfortunately, I can hardly find such statistics, and the number of problems is very embarrassing - when a number of users at the same time write about the same defects. Naturally, this raises doubts. I understand if it was with cheap Chinese know-name stoves, but here is the name and the price ...
I haven’t come to a definite conclusion yet, I still want to and inject.
I would gladly buy a stove of previous generations of Panasonic, if they were sold. But, alas, they are not. Dispensers are not very important to me (but, probably, they will still be useful), stainless steel is rather a minus than a plus (but also not very important, since the kitchen has both stainless steel and white plastic). I was attracted by the fact that there is a rye bread program - they say that rye bread in Panasonic turns out better on this program than in ovens of other manufacturers. Or is it also debatable?

variety, there was a time when they complained about this, but lately it seems to have calmed down. And problems with opening dispensers are rare. The ingredient dispenser just needs to be washed periodically, and the yeast dispenser is how it works. Bucket fixation and twitching can be checked in the store. .....

A bending mixer for rye bread (I also had it), but I probably kneaded the dough very steep, and I don't use it at all, because I rarely bake pure rye bread, and the basic one is suitable for rye-wheat bread. So do not be very scared and do not expect bad, think about the good. I went through several different brands of bread makers. Many good ones, but Panasonic is the best for me. In general, all stoves are good if they are used correctly and thriftily, without violating the instructions. And more often, after all, how - first they use, and then if anything - they look at the instructions. 0

Hope that in. about. problems were only with a single batch, and they have already been eliminated. I really don't want to run around the services and have a problem for my own money ... That is why I decided to buy Panasonic, as the most reliable stove. In principle, I bake on Scarlett too, but I always want something better. And there is no Rye Bread program in it, and yet everyone is convincing in unison that bread from Panasonic will be tastier and better than from Scarlett.
And I was not lucky with the Scarlett bucket, I had to change it twice under warranty due to its quick failure.
Yes, how hard it is to choose!

I HAVE 2501 AND I SING ODE, I LIKE EVERYTHING, USE THE SECOND YEAR.

Your example inspires

Duc I understood ... It's just that the person was so perplexedly worried. I remembered buying my first car. And, by the way, I was not allowed to test the stove in the store. The way home seemed so long ... But everything turned out to be successful ... Of course, this is not 200 rubles ...

In the store where I am thinking of buying (or), they will also not be allowed to test for mixing.They just let you look at the bucket, turn on programs without a bucket and a stirrer, show that the heating element is heating up, the programs switch, and that's it, then how lucky. However, the bucket of users did not begin to rattle immediately, but after a few baked goods. It turns out that it would still not be possible to check it in the store.
And the number of these stoves they have today is a couple of pieces, so there is not much to choose from.
Well, yes, this is not 200 rubles, we have it - 200 USD. e.

Hello. While toil the problem of choosing a stove. Do 2500 and 2501 differ only in the presence of a dispenser? Which one would you recommend to buy? (price difference 1,500 thousand)

The presence of a dispenser and the rye bread program. The above posts have already discussed this. To whom, for me, definitely, 2501. There are often promotions when the price is the same. Often I see this on Ozone, I myself bought on such a share in Eldorado.

2500 prettier, not "hunchbacked", there is where to stick. I bake on "live" yeast and the presence of a dispenser is not important.

[lisa567]

lisa567, rye can be perfectly cooked in the 2500th. And Borodinsky baked! And 1,500 rubles can be more worthy of use than spending on a rumbling piece of iron. Good luck to you!

And for me, the main thing is that the "rye" mode was, you can bake without this mode, but that's another thing.

[lisa567]

lisa567, rye can be perfectly cooked in the 2500th. And Borodinsky baked! And 1,500 rubles can be more worthy of use than spending on a rumbling piece of iron. Good luck to you!

To each his own!

exactly.

Thank you all for the detailed answers !!! I will think what to buy. Panasonic is certainly good, but it's very expensive with us.

Hello, please tell me, should this sound be when mixing?

Several sounds are heard. Which one makes you suspicious? The spanking of the kolobok is the norm, the engine works without squealing, there is no grinding. In my opinion - all the way!

[Wit]

Wit, Thank you

I choose between 2500, 2501, 2502. The first one disappeared, since there is no rye bread. How does 2502 differ from 2501 besides cladding and yeast dispensary? Do you need a dispensary?

And turn a page or two back broke ?! They only explain for a week in a row how the soap awl differs.

How does the 2502 differ from the 2501 besides the liner and yeast dispenser? Do you need a dispenser?

Nothing else. You can decide for yourself whether you want to use it or not.

Earlier it was reported that in the models for the European market there are other recipes from Panasonic in the instructions. Can someone post a recipe for Brioche bread for the "European" SD-2501 (SD-2502).

[Elena 65]

Write Elena 65... She's definitely European. Yes and Lagrithat over you, it seems too.

[lisa567]

lisa567,

Thank you all for the detailed answers !!! I will think what to buy. Panasonic is certainly good, but it's very expensive with us.

I bought a Panasonic bread maker in January this year through the Eldorado online store. You have to watch out for discounts Surely there will be good discounts by March 8th. I buy all equipment that way. tangible difference

[Wit]

Thank you Wit, Elena 65 and Lagri for help. Brioche turned out just super, rose above the edge of the bucket. Well, it is logical that warmth is needed to rise the dough. At the beginning of the temperature equalization process, there is a little heating during the ascent.
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