Electrical network and household appliances

Girls ... as I understand this is a "conversational" topic? Can i ask you? Explain to the teapot .. pliz .. why do you have several multicooker .. bread makers, etc.

class! you need to remember! (y) Girls ... as I understand this is a "conversational" topic? Can i ask you? Explain to the teapot .. pliz .. why do you have several multicooker .. bread makers, etc. if there is a topic about this, please give a link

They cook everything for us, and at this time we hang out here on the forum or for health.
One bakes a pie, the second cooks soup, the third stews meat. In one bread maker, white bread is baked, in another gray bread, in a third, dough is kneaded into pies. And all this at the same time. True, I have 1 bread maker, bye!

They cook everything for us, and at this time we hang out here on the forum or for health.
One bakes a pie, the second cooks soup, the third stews meat. In one bread maker, white bread is baked, in another gray bread, in a third, dough is kneaded into pies. And all this at the same time. True, I have 1 bread maker, bye!

wow! and if so much equipment is turned on at once, "plugs" do not knock out?

And technology, in principle, does not eat so much. The kettle requires much more.

wow! and if so much equipment is turned on at once, "plugs" do not knock out?

And sometimes at this time I also have a washing machine and a 100% TV. Well, I'm bored without him. The house is big, and there is no one to talk to.

and I have 5 kW at my house .. a TV set with computers is allocated .. they also do not turn off .. wait, the battery is still working .. if I turn on the bread maker .. I'm already afraid to connect the washing machine .. I don't want to go to the attic .. connect the switch ..

if I turn on the bread maker .. I'm already afraid to connect the washing machine .. I don't want to climb into the attic .. connect the switch ..

The breadmaker takes on the declared power only at the time of baking. If you have heavy loads on the network, then you can expect that the moment of baking in HP does not coincide with the moment when the washing machine heats the water. For other operations, the washer also takes a little ... well, of course, if without drying ..

For an inveterate deviceaholic, all electrical appliances can be turned on at once. How else? True, before that, a competent electrician must calculate the total load and assemble the wiring and supply an apartment voltage stabilizer, taking into account the capacities of all your electrical appliances. An expensive pleasure, but the "electronic brains" of your equipment are not afraid of power surges. Indeed, you can turn on all the devices at once.

An expensive pleasure

Not cheap, first of all, not because of the cost of such a stabilizer, but because it consumes electricity itself.

For an inveterate deviceaholic, all electrical appliances can be turned on at once. How else? True, before that, a competent electrician must calculate the total load and assemble the wiring and supply an apartment voltage stabilizer, taking into account the capacities of all your electrical appliances. An expensive pleasure, but the "electronic brains" of your equipment are not afraid of power surges. Indeed, you can turn on all the devices at once.

Well, somehow we didn’t think of it before. The husband changed the machines in the counter and mustache. The only thing we have right away, when building a house, somehow two lines (I don’t know how to explain correctly) were brought into the apartment. One for a small room, a loggia and a kitchen, and the second for a large room, a corridor, a loggia number 2 and a bathroom. Something like that. The wiring was not changed, and even when the washing machine was installed, the wiring was not changed. Everything holds on for 30 years. Pah-pah-pah.but I have a husband with electricity for YOU! And there is no stabilizer. This year we bought it specifically for the boiler, but while the boiler is still old and we did not even put it on. And he is not a current stabilizer, but there is also something like a battery. Well, I don't understand this business. My task. give money for all this!

ufff .. thank you ... just oh so I'm thinking .. why do I need a stabilizer .. if 5 kW are allocated to the house .. and there are also machines installed on the meter and in the attic at the entrance to the house (so that during an overload I do not knock out the counter on the pole ... I envy you .. as I saw how many sockets you have in the kitchen (just happiness) and then you run around with these extension cords .. and you don't know what to turn on in the first place .. what will wait .. so I ordered a mini-oven (not yet delivered) and I myself think what and how I will have to "calculate" ..
what is your boiler? not gas by chance?

limitation is a terrible thing for my mother in Kherson, such nonsense, the washing machine and the bread maker worked, I went up to poke the kettle, my mother only had time to squeak that there was no need, they say, the light - bang and cut it out .. I'm like that - and now what? , but for me - but nothing, we will sit without light for 20 minutes, then they will give a goofy while I was visiting, well, I could not get used to it, so we often sat without light

It’s familiar, it’s familiar ... As we lived in a small family, two electric heaters were threshed 24 hours a day. But in order to turn on the electric kettle (I had it even in those days, can you imagine!) It was necessary to turn off one heater.

restriction is a terrible thing ... light - bang and cut it out ... we will sit without light for 20 minutes, then they will give ...

In our suburbs (Skhodnya), control boxes were also hung on poles. They have counters-blockers for each private house. Which control the flow rate and spar information to the center on the same wires. What will happen if the readings between the control and home readings diverge, I don't know yet. We pay exactly according to the home meter, there are no "left" connections.

But I always connected the welding machine bypassing the counter. Not because I feel sorry for the money (how many minutes it will take to touch the electrode is nonsense), but so that the counter is not heavily loaded. I feel sorry for him.
Well, the task came, however, to cook something again, I thought - and now how? I called them in the service, explained the situation ... It was then that they told me - it will turn off, if the limit is exceeded, it will turn back on in 20 or 30 minutes. And they also called the limit of 5 kW. And my welding machine-inverter up to 25 amperes eats passport. That is, 25 * 220 = 5.5 kW. Okay. From the house, the load on the network was cut off with automatic machines, and the welding one again, as he had done before, threw it at the entrance to the house. I boiled what I needed (I don't know the net time, but it took three calendar hours). Nothing went off. And there were no nagging about the difference for payment.
I suppose they really have blocked the hell out of what they are set up for. In the evenings (especially in winter), the spill in the house sometimes drops to as much as 190 volts. Luminescent lamps (40-watt tubes), if they were on before, then they continue to burn (only with them, at least something is visible), and if they did not work, then they do not light up in the evening. We complain - they come, set up for a couple of days. And then they themselves admit that they have a "trishkin caftan" ... The networks are weak, and there are so many new houses built ...

Not cheap, first of all, not because of the cost of such a stabilizer, but because it consumes electricity itself.

40 years ago there were stabilizers of the ferroresonant type, so their efficiency is close to 100%, that is, they themselves almost do not consume current. And the reliability is stupefied, if properly exploited. I still have it in the barn, it has survived from our first TV.
But this type of stabilizer has its drawbacks. It cannot be turned on without load. And the load should not be lower than the planned one. Yes, and copper in it ... I had such a power per kilowatt at work, so when the head of the VET asked me for it for my house, he and his son had to drag it to the cart. And how they got it through the checkpoint ... the secret is great.In a word, there is a lot of copper in it, and our copper is not cheap, and for all its simplicity ...

what is your boiler? not gas by chance?

Since 2001, I have had an ordinary floor-standing small cauldron with German filling. Plus, in our house, everyone has had gas water heaters since the construction. It so happened that when I put the boiler on, I only had a new column for 3 years, and therefore we then decided not to put a two-loop boiler, but put a regular one. But now they decided to make a replacement and install a new boiler. This.

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What we particularly liked about it is that it is designed for a weak gas supply and, plus now you don't have to redo the entire heating system, this boiler works both in a closed water circulation and with an expansion tank. We would now have lower costs for the reconstruction of the heating system. And according to reviews, the boiler is excellent.

We would now have lower costs for the reconstruction of the heating system. And according to reviews, the boiler is excellent.

Nadia, is there still centralized heating in the house? Or have you already passed not an individual? In our country, permission for individual heating could only be obtained through a bribe. But I didn’t want to do this, and so it’s not a cheap thing, therefore, they refused three times, like connect with the whole house or to the front door. And this year, perhaps the proximity of the elections affected, but the mayor's office gave permission, exactly 1.5 months before the start of the heating season. But, thank God, we met it, and now instead of 500 UAH for heating per month (winter periods) I pay 75 UAH. The difference, however

Since 2001, I have had an ordinary floor-standing small cauldron with German filling. Plus, in our house, everyone has had gas water heaters since the construction. It so happened that when I put the boiler on, I only had a new column for 3 years, and therefore we then decided not to put a two-loop boiler, but put a regular one. But now they decided to make a replacement and install a new boiler. This.

🔗
What we particularly liked about it is that it is designed for a weak gas supply and, plus now you don't have to redo the entire heating system, this boiler works both in a closed water circulation and with an expansion tank. We would now have lower costs for the reconstruction of the heating system. And according to reviews, the boiler is excellent.

oh Nadezhda ... did not understand anything ... is there a boiler in your apartment or in a private house? I now have a problem looming .. along the street, count the gas pipeline for a year and a half, but they don’t connect to the houses in any way ... but as they say I don’t know anything .. and I didn’t even see how it should look (well, there was no such thing in our city ) and ask for advice ...

We have had a wall-mounted double-circuit FERROLI for five years. Works good. No bulky chimney. Minus - tied to electricity. If the electricity is cut off, the boiler is automatically turned off.
Praise Vaillant. My friend - BAXI, is also happy.

We have had a wall-mounted double-circuit FERROLI for five years. Works good. No bulky chimney. Minus - tied to electricity. If the electricity is cut off, the boiler is automatically turned off.
Praise Vaillant. My friend - BAXI, is also happy.

Is there ventilation around the house?

What kind of ventilation? Do you mean the removal of combustion products?

oh Nadezhda ... did not understand anything ... is there a boiler in your apartment or in a private house? I now have a problem looming .. along the street, count the gas pipeline for a year and a half, but they don’t connect to the houses in any way ... but as they say I don’t know anything .. and I didn’t even see how it should look (well, there was no such thing in our city ) and ask for advice ...

I have a boiler in an ordinary five-story building in a two-room apartment. Here I can not help you with recommendations. We made a special project for heating. The boiler was installed by a friend and the wiring around the apartment, and we already entrusted the gas connection to the gas control. We have not had hot water in our house since the construction of the house; right away, the project of the house had gas water heaters. Each apartment has its own chimneys. Now I have a boiler with a chimney in the house, and we are changing it to a turbocharged one with a pipe in the wall. I don’t know correctly how it’s called. We are changing the principle of the current due to the fact that we had a flat roof in our house, and now there was a roof reconstruction and a hipped roof. And the house is blown from 4 sides by strong winds from the mountains, and when the roof was changed, the functions of the chimneys were disrupted and now the boiler is blowing out with the winds. That the current was not done, we decided that it would be easier to install a new boiler. All the more, the kitchen is being renovated. yes, two-circuit ones are all tied to electricity. there the pump and automatics are powered by electricity.

We also don't have a huge pipe, the hole in the wall and the exit is a small pipe, about a meter long. It is precisely it that is tied to electricity, there is an intake of air from the street and the removal of combustion products by a forced method - a fan.

According to the method of exhaust gas removal, all gas boilers can be divided into models with natural draft (exhaust gases are removed due to the draft created in the chimney) and forced draft (using a fan built into the boiler).

Most firms that produce wall-mounted gas boilers produce models, both with natural draft and forced. Natural draft boilers are familiar to many and the chimney above the roof does not surprise anyone. Boilers with forced draft appeared quite recently and have a lot of advantages during installation and operation. As already mentioned above, the exhaust gases from these boilers are removed using a fan built into them. Such models are ideal for rooms without a traditional chimney, since the combustion products in this case are removed through a special coaxial chimney, for which it is enough to make only a hole in the wall. A coaxial chimney is also often called a "pipe within a pipe". Through the inner pipe of such a chimney, combustion products are removed to the street with the help of a fan, and air enters through the outer pipe. In addition, these boilers do not burn oxygen from the room, do not require an additional inflow of cold air into the building from the street to maintain the combustion process, and reduce investment costs during installation, since there is no need to make an expensive traditional chimney, instead of which a short and inexpensive coaxial.

Forced draft boilers are also used in the case when there is a traditional chimney, but the intake of combustion air from the room is undesirable.

We also don't have a huge pipe, the hole in the wall and the exit is a small pipe, about a meter long. It is precisely it that is tied to electricity, there is an intake of air from the street and the removal of combustion products by a forced method - a fan.

According to the method of exhaust gas removal, all gas boilers can be divided into models with natural draft (exhaust gases are removed by the draft generated in the chimney) and forced draft (using a fan built into the boiler).

Well, yes, we have been standing with natural traction for 11 years now, and we are changing it to forced (turbocharged) traction. As for the advice about installing a boiler in the house, then you just need to look for a specialist in your place and so that he already tells you everything there. Because it's hard to give advice at a distance. we do not know which house, and you have no gas. But the only thing that is 100%, while in the house where the kitchen is planned or the place where the boiler will stand, must be with natural ventilation. I will give an example of my kuma. She lives in an old one-story building with several apartments. For many years she had a boiler in the bathroom, and literally last year, when a wave of suffocation and gas accidents swept across the Crimea and Simferopol, there were raids by Gorgaz and she was ordered to move the boiler. Violations were indicated that the boiler is located in a place where there is no natural ventilation.In the end, she had to put also a double-circuit boiler in place of the gas water heater in the kitchen. There she was allowed because there is natural ventilation in the kitchen (think, an ordinary window and a window was enough).

It's easier for us, when we were rebuilding (a private house) - we planned everything right away. The boiler hangs in the boiler room, but they also made a small folding window there. It is not necessary without it.

I went to the Gorgaz, they redrawn the plan and made a note there that there is a window.
They will come to check, if it is not there, the gas will be turned off and forced to redo it according to the instructions. Well, and a fine, of course.

At my work (private house) Vailant 2-contour is already the seventh year. Draft - a pipe through the attic and plus a pipe for ventilation and a vent in the window. Yes, tied to electricity - piezo ignition (it does not work all the time, only when the temperature is below the set one) and the pump - pumps water through the system. In order for it to work in moments of power outages, a special battery must be installed. The problem is poor gas quality - there are a lot of impurities, the boiler is clogged. It is necessary to clean it once a year.

We also don't have a huge pipe, the hole in the wall and the exit is a small pipe, about a meter long. It is precisely it that is tied to electricity, there is an intake of air from the street and the removal of combustion products by a forced method - a fan.

Regulating automation, most likely, is also fed from the network?

At my work (private house) Vailant 2-contour is already the seventh year. Draft - a pipe through the attic and plus a pipe for ventilation and a vent in the window. Yes, tied to electricity - piezo ignition (it does not work all the time, only when the temperature is below the set one) and the pump - pumps water through the system. In order for it to work in moments of power outages, a special battery must be installed. The problem is poor gas quality - there are many impurities, the boiler is clogged. It is necessary to clean it once a year.

Well, approximately because of this, we stopped at the boiler that I showed above. It was made just for such conditions.

Hello!
Since the topic is about power grids, I wanted to consult with experts in this matter.
I want to buy a bread maker, but the difficulty is: there are drops in the power grid, and in winter there is not enough power at all (I live in a rural area). And here in one place I read that for HP, sharp drops are undesirable, they say the program gets lost and therefore it was advised to connect HP through a voltage stabilizer.
I want to buy a Polaris PBM 1501D what kind of gimbal to match?

[Lilyushka]

Lilyushka, so if you have constant voltage drops, so you need to put a stabilizer on the whole house

For example like this 🔗
(10 kilowatts)
Count how many sources you have connected at the same time, there should be a margin of 2-3 kW

[Lilyushka]

Lilyushka, so if you have constant voltage drops, so you need to put a stabilizer on the whole house

For example like this 🔗
(10 kilowatts)
Count how many sources you have connected at the same time, there should be a margin of 2-3 kW

Yes, we somehow did without stabilizers. I want one, to which it will be possible to connect if necessary, then HP, then a multicooker.

Then like this 🔗 up to 1.5 kW

[how accurate this program will be executed by the HP actuators at reduced voltage.]

In HP, the memory for shutdown for program execution is usually about 10 minutes. For the programs themselves, voltage dips are not terrible. Another question, how accurate this program will be executed by the HP actuators at reduced voltage.
Let's say it's baking. With a full design power of 0.5 kW. But the voltage in the network, let's say, has failed and instead of 220v is 200v. Then, with the command to issue 0.5 kW, in fact, due to the reduced voltage, only 0.413 kW will be released, that is, 18% less. The bread may not be baked.
But in fact, not everything is so simple here either. Because, in reality, according to the program, the oven maintains not the power, but the required temperature, periodically giving an on / off signal in the "baking" mode, so that the temperature matches the process. That is, if the desired temperature is maintained at 0.4 kW by reducing the duration of the shutdown pauses, then it's okay.
In short, you must first buy HP, try it in work, and then decide the issue with the stabilizer. In this order.