Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (2)

I can't figure it out. Please tell me on the scoreboard size M, L, XL. Is this the weight of the finished product? If so, how are they translated into gr. these sizes?

This is the size for flour, everything is in the instructions.

We have HP 2502. There, in the instructions, where the drawing of the HP itself But, it says "Size. Select the size of the bread." Not a word about flour.
As I understood from examples of bread recipes. M - 400g flour, L - 500g, XL - 600g and above. Right?

Good day! I just bought a 2501 bread maker and on the third baking in it I saw that when kneading an ordinary good bun of dough, the bucket swayed. What is this marriage or what? Who had it, what to do? I liked this stove so much ...

My stove turns slightly on its axis during the kneading process, the tabletop is slippery, and then I move it into place all the time. And what about the bucket, I don't know, I've been baking for almost a year now and I don't look there. But, in any case, it is advisable to set the surface on which the HP stands by the level (such, construction, with an air bubble.) Therefore, it may just not be quite horizontal HP, so the bucket is wobbling, check.

We have HP 2502. There, in the instructions, where the drawing of the HP itself But, it says "Size. Select the size of the bread." Not a word about flour.
As I understood from examples of bread recipes. M - 400g flour, L - 500g, XL - 600g and above. Right?

Yes, that's right, just not sure about AND ABOVE. It seems undesirable to knead more than 600 g of flour for the stove's health. And if rye flour, then 600 is too much.

Thanks for the help. Sorry for being meticulous. And the last question. in HP 2502 the yeast dispenser when it should be closed. The batch started, the yeast spilled out, then the batch, and when will it close? I didn't pay attention to him before. Has broken?

Thanks for the help. Sorry for being meticulous. And the last question. in HP 2502 the yeast dispenser when it should be closed. The batch started, the yeast spilled out, then the batch, and when will it close? I didn't pay attention to him before. Has broken?

It only opens automatically, but must be closed manually. Are you alright.

do you confuse anything by accident? I have never closed the yeast dispenser. specially went checked - closed.
it doesn't seem to close for nuts, but I didn't use it

[Vyacheslav85]

Unhappy Panasonic! Lost a valuable customer like Vyacheslav85... Maybe you shouldn't judge all the products by your HP with a clipped lid, which the Internet store offered you? As for the backlash, I'm already tired of explaining. No, if people ask, then the answer is not broke. But to the categorical statements of a person who does not have complete information ... It was painfully long I wrapped up, it could have been shorter ...
I remembered how potatoes were mastered in Europe. The fact that only tubers are edible in potatoes, at first, many did not even know and tried to eat its fruits, resembling green berries. However, they were not only inedible, but even poisonous. Until they guessed that it was necessary to eat the tubers, they destroyed so many potatoes with cries of "What kind of g ... but!"
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[Lagri]

do you confuse anything by accident? I have never closed the yeast dispenser. specially went checked - closed.
it doesn't seem to close for nuts, but I didn't use it

Maybe I'm confusing. But the owners of this device did not mention automatic closing. Probably this moment yawned. I have 2500 and I have dispensers on the drum. Let's ask about it Lagri.

[Lagri]

Maybe I'm confusing. But the owners of this device did not mention automatic closing. Probably this moment yawned. I have 2500 and I have dispensers on the drum.Let's ask about it Lagri.

No, no, it must be closed. I just don’t understand, it’s on the rise, but it hasn’t closed yet. It seemed to me, until today, it was closed for a batch. I could be wrong

My stove turns slightly on its axis during the kneading process, the tabletop is slippery, and then I move it into place all the time. And what about the bucket, I don't know, I've been baking for almost a year now and I don't look there. But, in any case, it is advisable to set the surface on which the HP stands by the level (such, construction, with an air bubble.) Therefore, it may just not be quite horizontal HP, so the bucket is wobbling, check.

Yesterday it did not stagger in the same place, but today it staggers. That it will end soon, eh?

Yesterday it did not stagger in the same place, but today it staggers. That it will end soon, huh?

Did you bake the same as yesterday? Do you know that the HP of some Brands, when kneading, finally can dance the lady and have to chase them around the kitchen?

No, no, it must be closed. I just don’t understand, it’s on the rise, but it hasn’t closed yet. It seemed to me, until today, it was closed for a batch. I could be wrong

I also remember that there was once a controversy - whether this dispenser is convenient or not. I said that it was not needed, it claps like loudly and it is necessary to close it, so the owners of 5202 answered me and wrote that the yeast closes automatically, but for additives it is necessary to close it manually.

[kiss_78]

So we figured it out kiss_78... It's up to you: change HP or leave it. I would change. For this dispenser you have paid more than one hundred extra money. Let them repair or change for free.

Maybe there is some kind of crumb, take a good look, maybe something prevented from closing. And then one girl here had a strange sound when mixing. Then it turned out that a piece of dried dough was stuck there somewhere. I pulled it out - and everything worked out.

The yeast dispenser closes by itself, sometimes even a faint closing click is heard during baking.

[kiss_78]

So we figured it out kiss_78... It's up to you: change HP or leave it. I would change. For this dispenser you have paid more than one hundred extra money. Let them repair or change for free.

the difference between 2502 and 2501 was 700 rubles. bought under NG. I realized when the yeast dispenser closes during the baking process. Closed now. It seemed to me that he was already closing during the batch, but no.

Unhappy Panasonic! Lost such a valuable customer as Vyacheslav85. Maybe you shouldn't judge all the products by your HP with a clipped lid, which the Internet store offered you? As for the backlash, I'm already tired of explaining. No, if people ask, then the answer is not broke. But to the categorical statements of a person who does not have complete information ... It was painfully long I wrapped up, it could have been shorter ...
I remembered how potatoes were mastered in Europe. The fact that only tubers are edible in potatoes, at first, many did not even know and tried to eat its fruits, resembling green berries. However, they were not only inedible, but even poisonous. Until they guessed that it was necessary to eat the tubers, they destroyed so many potatoes with cries of "What kind of g ... but!"
I don’t give more comments More: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=169416.0

The Internet shop here is just not guilty, because I tore off the metal staples from the packaging personally at home, just don't say that the bad Internet shop sawed off the lid and packed the bread maker itself. This is the Chinese who pulled the lid out of the mold, his hands were crooked ... and OTK Panas does not monitor the quality of the released products ...

[Lagri]

Maybe I'm confusing. But the owners of this device did not mention automatic closing. Probably this moment yawned. I have 2500 and I have dispensers on the drum. Let's ask about it Lagri.

Wit, the yeast dispenser in my x / n 2502 closes automatically, exactly. I don’t remember exactly at what stage, but it seems before baking. And is it really important? The most important thing is that it closes itself.

the engine spins in jerks .. I did not expect this after the laudatory odes about Panasonic.If I chose in the store, I would not buy it. For the future, before buying something on the internet, I will first look at the equipment in the showrooms of supermarkets, since the picture on the screen is deceiving

Well, you completely smashed Panasonic. The blade spins in jerks, you mean that, probably? So, in the process of work, it moves in different ways: at the very beginning, in slow jerks (so as not to scatter flour over the oven), when adding ingredients (raisins, nuts, etc.) also in jerks (so as not to grind them), but quickly. So study your stove better (where and how it works), and then blame it. Your stove is very good.

[Vyacheslav85]

Vyacheslav85
Or bake at least a couple of breads than find fault with good equipment. Don't say anything about the results of baking.
It seems to me that Panasonic's competitors sent this Cossack here. They seem to be doing very badly.

And we dearly love Panasonic, and he reciprocates us.

already baked ..

already baked ..

Well done! It's already good, I wish you everything turned out deliciously!

The Internet shop here is just not guilty because I tore off the metal staples from the packaging personally at home, just don't say that the bad Internet shop sawed off the lid and packed the bread maker itself

There are plenty of scenarios. Here is one of them.
Vyacheslav84buys HP Panasonic and discovers a certain defect in the cover. He immediately returns and demands to be replaced. HP is not used, it seems like 7 days can be returned without specifying the reasons for the return. Well, he said he didn't like the cover. Replaced and Vyacheslav84 gladly left. The HP online store is forwarded to the SC and there is Uncle Vasya with the words "What garbage!" just saws off the lid a little. SC HP forwards to the online store. The online store packs HP in a box, scraps it (saw how it is done) and puts it on sale again. Appears ... (right!) Vyacheslav85 and orders HP. We know what happened next. But what was not! When delivering HP, if you didn't turn it on from the cold, then you had to look at the appearance and equipment. After all, they could forget to put the second spatula, and scratch the bucket.

I do not agree with Vyacheslov85 about Panasonic. We wanted to take Moulinex 6002 with baguettes. Thank God, they took Panasonic 2502. I'm glad to the point of disgrace, fell in love with her. And the daughter comes up: "Mom ... uncle ... bread ... make" The bread is lush, high, not a single recipe has yet been missed, even from a book. Forum to help. Yes, the bowl moves a little, but it's the same for everyone. We took it through the Internet. Checked at the point of issue.

Friends! Can someone explain to me the inconsistency. I'm choosing a bread maker now, I'm leaning towards Panasonic. I began to compare the difference between those that are just being discussed in this thread. I downloaded the instructions and was surprised. SD-ZB2502 English ( 🔗) contains three more baking programs than the Russian-language (https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/im...e/panasonic/sd-zb2502.pdf). According to the Russian-language description, 2502 differs from 2501 only in a metal case and a yeast dipenser.
Maybe the owners will explain?

I'm sorry, the Russian-language instruction is right there https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/im...e/panasonic/sd-zb2502.pdfinstruction

Friends! Can someone explain to me the inconsistency. I'm choosing a bread maker now, I'm leaning towards Panasonic. I began to compare the difference between those that are just being discussed in this thread. I downloaded the instructions and was surprised. SD-ZB2502 English ( 🔗) contains three more baking programs than the Russian-language one. According to the Russian-language description, it differs from 2502 only in its metal body and yeast dipenser.
Maybe the owners will explain?

The fact is that the 2502 model for the CIS market and the 2502 model for Europe have different sets of programs (similar was in the 254/255/256/257 models). In models for the CIS, there is no Italian bread, sandwich and like brioche. There is no dumplings dough in the European model. As far as I know, both the European and the CIS model are both in a stainless steel case, but the cover is of a different color.

Models 2501 and 2502 (we are talking about models for LPG) differ in that model 2502 is in a stainless steel case and has a yeast dispenser. Otherwise, they are identical.

The fact is that the 2502 model for the CIS market and the 2502 model for Europe have different sets of programs (similar was in the 254/255/256/257 models). In models for the CIS, there is no Italian bread, sandwich and like brioche. There is no dumplings dough in the European model.

I saw that in the preparation of dough in the English version, instead of dumplings - brioche. Is it possible to fill in the missing programs somehow special. recipes?

I saw that in the preparation of dough in the English version, instead of dumplings - brioche. Is it possible to fill in the missing programs somehow special. recipes?

Maybe just not take the English language. For example, the program Pelmeni in KhP for the CIS is very necessary, it will not make such a dough on a euro oven, I think. And this is a very necessary thing if your pets love dumplings, dumplings.

I saw that in the preparation of dough in the English version, instead of dumplings - brioche. Is it possible to fill in the missing programs somehow special. recipes?

It all depends on who will use it. For example, for dumplings, I knead a fairly soft dough, and then stir the flour with my hands. In any case, the stove does more than half the work. I swore to knead really cool dumplings and noodles in a bread machine after I drove my horse - due to an overload of the engine, the capacitor "sat down", I had to replace it (thanks again to our men who advised me on time and correctly, thanks to which cost an order of magnitude cheaper than offered in the official service).

Actually, I have a kitchen machine in which I can knead any dough. But if necessary, I can cook dumplings dough on "pizza", just reset the program 15 minutes after the start, until the oven starts heating the dough.

If I have to change the stove, I will try to look for an opportunity to buy a 2501 for the European market. Brioche is a sweet bread, which means that this program should bring the baked goods to a lower temperature.

It all depends on who will use it. For example, for dumplings, I knead a fairly soft dough, and then stir the flour with my hands. In any case, the stove does more than half the work. But if necessary, I can cook dumplings dough on "pizza", just reset the program 15 minutes after the start, until the oven starts heating the dough.
If I have to change the stove, I will try to look for an opportunity to buy a 2501 for the European market. Brioche is a sweet bread, which means that this program should bring the baked goods to a lower temperature.

I, in principle, also asked about it. I'm just more interested in the "European" firmware. That is, it, unlike the dumplings dough, cannot be compensated for with recipe tricks?

I, in principle, also asked about it. I'm just more interested in the "European" firmware. That is, it, unlike the dumplings dough, cannot be compensated for with recipe tricks?

There will be no Pelmeni and Rye program. And the guarantee is full too. European models are all "gray" supplies

There will be no Pelmeni and Rye program. And the guarantee is full too. European models are all "gray" supplies

why is there no rye program? Here, in the specification (on the Panasonic website for Britain) for the SD-ZB2502BXC model, the presence of the 100% rye program is indicated - that is, rye

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why is there no rye program? Here, in the specification (on the Panasonic website for Britain) for the SD-ZB2502BXC model, the presence of the 100% rye program is indicated - that is, rye

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Yes, of course rye Rye
The version of the English-language instruction that we have on the Internet (to which I referred) is focused on continental Europe. There are not many recipes from the "British" version, but there are recipes with ready-made mixtures of a Belgian-Dutch company (for Germany - a German company).The "British" instruction contains the widest selection of recipes. For example, there are separately indicated quick options (instead of a separate footnote that a different amount of yeast must be put in the quick version), a large selection of recipes for dietary bread (5 in Russian, 19 in British), even rye bread (which in Europe it is sometimes called "Russian") more recipes. But the firmware is the same. It's hard to talk about the sea of ​​recipes for those programs that are not in "our" firmware without perspiration.
Actually, all this is some kind of racism. I wrote to Panasonic a request for the firmware of the program. Maybe it makes sense to unite with other forums from the CIS, write a collective letter to Panasonic. Like, the Russians have enough dough for dumplings, but they don't need Italian bread and bioshi.
Regarding the warranty: don't service centers now accept any Panasonic products, regardless of the place of purchase? In this situation, it makes no sense to talk about "gray" supplies.

Also, by the way, the specifics of the translation. In the English version, the Special program is translated as whole grain bread, and Strong Wholmeal Flour as whole flour, although "whole grain" is also correct.

[Maxnes]

Maxnes There is no racism, but there are culinary and food traditions, the manufacturer naturally prepares equipment for them, and this is normal. And Panasonic's guarantee is not yet international.

[Maxnes]

Maxnes There is no racism, but there are culinary and food traditions, the manufacturer naturally prepares equipment for them, and this is normal. And Panasonic's guarantee is not yet international.

There is a different approach to taking into account traditions - to provide a technical opportunity for all preferences regardless of the distribution area, and it is advisable to give the same recipes, and the consumer himself will determine what sets he needs from this and what does not. If there are any special preferences that are not of interest in other countries, then you can suggest in the recipe. For example, even in these recipes - for rye bread in the "British" version there is a recipe for stout, in "our" - for kvass. Not at all identical, specific. OK. Recipes can be viewed separately, read in the internet, etc. Theoretically, it is still possible to explain so stupidly the type instead of brioche dough, we will give Russians dough for dumplings. But, for what reasons is it necessary to simply take and remove three programs? At the same time, an American whim - a gluten-free program must be inserted. How many users will use it, and how many would like to bake some Italian bread, brioche, or, finally, a sandwich? Just money from a gluten-free formula company? Same as AVIVA and Taig in the "continental version"? Once again, traditions can be taken into account in the recipe, the truncation of program capabilities is not taking into account tradition, but racism.

We have an apolitical forum, read the rules.

.............. In this American whim - a gluten-free program must be inserted ...............

Why do you think no one needs a gluten-free program?
There is a disease of Celiac disease, people with this disease cannot eat foods containing gluten.
Especially hard for children. It is difficult to explain to a child why he cannot have this bread and this cookie.
Parents are forced to exclude almost ALL available foods containing cereal flour from the diet of their children.
Meals are only homemade, a special menu.
The fact that Panasonic somehow makes life easier for people with celiac disease, only pleases.

Why do you think no one needs a gluten-free program?
There is a disease of Celiac disease, people with this disease cannot eat foods containing gluten.
Especially hard for children. It is difficult to explain to a child why he cannot have this bread and this cookie.
Parents are forced to exclude almost ALL available foods containing cereal flour from the diet of their children.
Meals are only homemade, a special menu.
The fact that Panasonic somehow makes life easier for people with celiac disease, only pleases.

It's fine! honor and praise to Panasonic for taking care of people who have, albeit a rare, but dangerous disease. If the American company, which "discovered" this as a universal key to solving the problem of weight loss and longevity, did not launch a marketing campaign, imposing this diet on everyone, few would know about it, as well as about many other diets, which, unfortunately, are not taken into account by the creators of these devices. I have not spoken out against the existence of this program. I just wrote, let there be all programs for everyone, so that the choice is equal. I just assumed that the number of people who would use the missing three programs is slightly more than those who will use this one. And this simply refutes the thesis that the creators were guided by the logic of preferences.

[Maxnes]

Maxnes maybe in your region it is rare, but in ours you will not surprise anyone with such a diagnosis.
And I personally know about this firsthand, unfortunately.

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oh, I'll die of laughter))))

firstly, the bread turned out salty, why did I think when I added salt ...
secondly, the crumb is dense and moist, like undercooked

BUT, the crust is delicious !!! especially good for beer!

I here, too, went too far with salt the other day and was so surprised that the white bread did not work out. And the thing is, instead of 1.5 tsp. (Measured) rock salt (as usual) put 1.5 tsp. shallow iodized. It turned out that the small one is much saltier than the large one. We want to learn from our mistakes, why are we strangers there

I here, too, went too far with salt the other day and was so surprised that the white bread did not work out. And the thing is, instead of 1.5 tsp. (Measured) rock salt (as usual) put 1.5 tsp. shallow iodized. It turned out that the small one is much saltier than the large one. We want to learn from our mistakes, why are we strangers there

Razi? I didn't know! I put a stone, and, as you say, "small" - everything is the same in salinity.

Razi? I didn't know! I put a stone, and, as you say, "small" - everything is the same in salinity.

This is all because you are a man My the same did not notice But it seemed a bit too much for a white man, but for rye I think there is no difference.

And I read about 2502 (I don’t know, maybe it’s at all) that the crust becomes darker over time, for many after 10 times the oroch already turns out to be very very ruddy ...

My little stove is only 1 month old, I don't know how it will behave in the future, but I bake on prog 12 "baking" white and simple and rich 1 hour 10 minutes, rye on the same prog 1 hour 20 minutes, amazing crusts of medium fried what the blush depends on is not clear to me yet.

We want to learn from our mistakes, why are we strangers there

its rake is always closer to the body

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