Bread maker Brand 3801 - description, characteristics, operation

I do not need info About the leaven, I have had it for a long time and all.
I would like baking recipes on it. Especially in HP.

like this topic was ...
here is the recipe https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...164356.msg0;topicseen#new
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in....0

you can ask in the search, there is a lot of everything

Got it. I will search. Thank you.

On the first link yesterday bread and baked, Fluffy))))

not at all .. everyone starts like that ... good luck!

You all count everything so cleverly, you understand why marriage is in bread ...
While quietly white envy. Will be studying.

read Temko about the kolobok .. this is a very important moment !!!! .. take a closer look when kneading ... do not pour all the flour first ... add "along the way" !!!

About dosing - that's what I do.
I'm going to read about the bun.

Help!. the Brand3801 bread maker broke down .. stopped kneading the dough ... I won't say anything about the temperature, everything shows on the display: selects the program, shows that it kneads the dough .. but does not knead !!! What to do?. maybe saioy can do something?

Hello.
You need to contact the nearest Brand service center (addresses and phone numbers can be found on the official website of the Company in the SUPPORT-SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE section). Beforehand, you can call the free phone 8-800-333-12-52 and consult with the master about solving the problem yourself

[ksenia_br]

ksenia_br, Thank you..
I already called .. talked ... I have a warranty card at the dacha

probably

, because I bought the stove right before my vacation ... I paid by card, in principle, can an extract be considered a check ?. or do you still need to look for a warranty card ?.

yes, an extract is also possible, if it says that you paid for the bread maker. A warranty card is needed, the master must put a mark on it that the warranty repair has been made.
If you cannot find the warranty card in any way, then it is better for you to communicate directly with the SC master by toll-free phone 8-800-333-12-52, explaining the whole situation to him

I'll probably report here ... today I repaired my stove ... at the service center it's an hour's work ...
until the heap, I bought one more bucket (the first one fiddled with nuts and seeds) ..
And I also looked at the 321 multi-oven .. it seems like it's called ... while I was waiting for the stove, I read the instructions ... and I really wanted it sooo ..
I snatched it out of my good uncle ... tomorrow I will make pies with cottage cheese ...
thanks to the service center for the excellent and fast work!

so your stove is working now?
and what kind of multibake did you look after? Does she also know how to bake in manual mode as a brand?

[Anna Svetlova]

Anna Svetlova,
A multi-oven is not a bread maker))

🔗

bye, it's clear now - I thought they released a redmond multicooker + bread maker.

I'll probably report here ... today I repaired my stove ... at the service center it's an hour's work ...
until the heap, I bought one more bucket (the first one fiddled with nuts and seeds) ..
And I also looked at the 321 multi-oven .. it seems like it's called ... while I was waiting for the stove, I read the instructions ... and I really wanted it sooo ..
I snatched it out of my good uncle ... tomorrow I will make pies with cottage cheese ...
thanks to the service center for the excellent and fast work!

after what time of use did it break? and why? maybe they did something wrong? Share and we'll do the right thing too

after what time of use did it break? and why? maybe they did something wrong? Share and we'll do the right thing too

maybe I used it continuously for a long time ... like several kneading pies and two baked breads in a row ...
I don’t do that now .. and I try to keep an eye on the bun - so that the dough is not very steep ...
since then it works like a watch (TTT) .. I am very happy with this HP ... more than Panasonic ... Brand still gives more opportunities .. and I get a lot tastier bread out of it)))

If anyone has not tried it yet, I want to please. This bread maker makes great yoghurt. I take out the bucket, put a hot stand there (it is openwork and has a hole in the middle) so that it is convenient to put cans, and 2 (!) Liter cans fit on it diagonally and the shade does not touch. At first I just experimented with water - I checked the temperature. Exactly 40 degrees. Fermented Evitalia. The only drawback is that the time is not set. But I set the alarm clock, because 6 hours is too much. I want to try programming, I have never done it. I bake on built-in programs, everything turns out great. When I bought through the online store, I doubted, but in vain. Everything turned out well, I have been using it for a year now.

[Malaika]

Malaika, good evening!

The only drawback is that the time is not set.

everything is set
Instructions for use for the device, page 19, I quote:
"Connect the appliance to the mains and select the" Yogurt "mode. The display will show the default cooking time of 6 hours. Using the" + "and" - "buttons, you can change the cooking time."

You can also program manual mode. If it doesn't work out, then the instruction is always near you and in it you will find answers to your questions. If you do not find, then here on the forum you will always be happy to advise

Stunned! Didn't even think about these buttons! I never used them and forgot about them. I thought they were for programming new programs. Well, thank you! I tried it - everything works. It is necessary to re-read the instructions, apparently, I will discover a lot of new things. Now I will love my bread machine even more !!!

Girls. Finally, I got the Black Brand, which I have long wanted because of the flexibility in management. I really like the stove. It is compact, smaller than my Panasik.
I hope it will last a long time now.
I am studying this topic and thanks to everyone for the detailed advice and reports.

Hello! I ordered a bread maker Brand, in anticipation of the arrival of the unit, I study the topics of the forum and lick my lips)))) This will be my first bread loader, and the question arose whether it was necessary to somehow prepare it for the first use, well, it’s clear to wash the bucket, and then maybe how- then drive it to idle, or feed the first product to the birds, regardless of the result?

[Galina]

Galina, no birds))))) knead, in a clean bucket, bread, bake and enjoy.

Hello! I ordered a bread maker Brand, in anticipation of the arrival of the unit, I study the topics of the forum and lick my lips)))) This will be my first bread loader, and the question arose whether it was necessary to somehow prepare it for the first use, well, it’s clear to wash the bucket, and then maybe how- then drive it to idle, or feed the first product to the birds, regardless of the result?

just choose recipes from the forum, for example, start with French or dairy to get the first positive right away. Follow the bun and the birds only have to give away the crumbs

Follow the bun and the birds only have to give away the crumbs

[ANGELINA BLACKmore]

ANGELINA BLACKmore, fffuntic, Thank you! I looked at the recipe for gray bread with honey, I have already prepared everything, though the yeast will be dry, only the stove is not enough ... Wait, sir ... When the PEC turtle machine finally brings me my charm ...

Follow the bun and the birds only have to give away the crumbs

Yes, yes, I have read the instructions, I am ready to feel and compare (Crying on the forum, and feeding the birds too) Although, of course, I will hope for the best. Mom wanted a stove, she has long been dissatisfied with the quality of store bread, so it is planned to bake it regularly and I would like to quickly master the profession of a home baker.

[Galina]

Galina, I remember myself, in anticipation of the arrival of HP (I was taking her sessta from Moscow, I was afraid to order on the Internet, they decided to get it in this way). So I just couldn't wait. And they brought it and I walked past her for two days, mowed with a purple eye)))) Even though it was dumb for me to start the first batch, even though I was ready THEORETICALLY.
My husband forced me. We filmed our first dangling kolobok on video - wow, how you liked it ... Now you can't drag it by the ears ... And how did I live without her, my help?! ...
I wish you a great and warm friendship with Brandyusha)) She is good, flexible, and also smart (she also has a MOSC with manual programming, which many other HPs cannot boast of.

[ANGELINA BLACKmore]

ANGELINA BLACKmoreI was seduced by this very mosK. I hope the stove is worth the nerves that this order made to me.
I often buy in online stores, but a service with a payment method upon receipt of goods, and prepayment are two big differences! In the first case, the order will be quickly delivered, and they will call themselves and at a convenient time will be delivered home directly to the apartment. And then the seller fused the goods to the transport company and forgot - the buyer himself track, call, negotiate, then wait all day for the delivery to the entrance. I wonder why I wrote my address, entrance, floor, phone number in the order form on the Brand website, if the transport company had to dictate everything in a new way? In general, if you need a bucket, I will order in another place.
By the way, does the Brand bucket for 1230 rubles on Ozone differ from the bucket on the manufacturer's website for 2690 rubles? I think, can I order?

The buckets may differ in the quality of the coating.
I don't know, the second bucket turned out to be unnecessary for me, I manage with one.
For the first time, I charged the MV cooking 2-3 times a day.
Now I also use it regularly, but less often. And I still love MV.
And I advise all doubters to get one. I agree that there are gadgets from the category "used 1-2 times and on the mezzanine." The multicooker is difficult to attribute to this category.

Editing - I apologize for interweaving the Multicooker. But all of the above applies to the bread maker. I have both Brand.

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016 12:48 pm

By the way, girls, tell me, but the valve began to fall out over time (when you completely open the lid) only with me or anyone else with such crap? This is not critical, I just get scared when he crashes on the table at the multicooker))))) This does not affect working qualities in ANY way.
I try not to forget to take it out first, before opening the lid.

How does MV relate to the bread maker?

[ANGELINA BLACKmore]

ANGELINA BLACKmore
By the way, does the Brand bucket for 1230 rubles at Ozone differ from the bucket on the manufacturer's website for 2690 rubles? I think, can I order?

and what is the difference between the stove on the official website and the stoves in the store? Secretly: nothing, only at a price for some reason. And their bucket was updated when the modernized model came out and does not change anymore. Therefore, I would buy on ozone and not get dirty. If in doubt, you can call the official website and ask: is the coverage different on sale or are all the buckets of the same type?
But ... why buy something in advance? First you need to see how often baked goods will be relevant in the family. Perhaps this bucket will be like new for a hundred years)))
Moreover, prices jump like hares. Perhaps when the bucket is needed, the price for it will fall, but if it does, then in the light of current prices it will not be particularly striking.
The bucket crashes with very intensive use with harsh additives, and how you will use it still needs to be seen. Maybe very carefully.

Girls, advice is needed, I have HP Panasik (I love it very dearly and use it often), so I wanted a programmable one, since I was carried away by sourdoughs, I have been looking at this HP for a long time, is it good for sourdough bread? Or do not take a steam bath and use Panasonic?

How does MV relate to the bread maker?

: girl_haha: Really ....
I have both of them Brand)) And now I'm going out of the kitchen from the multicooker, that's the couple and jammed. But all the same, if anyone can say anything about the MV valve, clarify pzhlst))))
The bucket meant bakery, about the price and quality))

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016 1:18 pm

Is it good for sourdough bread?

Svetlana - she's amazing for sourdough bread. I categorically do not use yeast in baking, ONLY SQUARE.
I bake on it, with leaven, EVERYTHING, from coarse rye bread to refined noble products.
Do not even doubt your choice. The possibility of manual programming is such a big plus for these bread makers that it is difficult to overestimate.

not steamed and use Panasonic

all the more so as sourdough baking in automatic mode is difficult and unstable.

Girls, advice is needed, I have HP Panasik (I love it very dearly and use it often), so I wanted a programmable one, since I got carried away with sourdough, I have been looking at this HP for a long time, is it good for sourdough bread? Or do not take a steam bath and use Panasonic?

if, when working with Panasonic, recipes are chosen in which you often have to dance with tambourines: kneaded on dumplings, turned off. I restarted the main program, but then interrupted and restarted the second program: then, with such actions, the brand will save you from all these unnecessary worries. If you choose a recipe with kneading and long fermentation at low temperatures or, conversely, very high temperatures, then the brand is just a sweetheart. Playing with temperature is a brand privilege.
But if there are proven recipes that have been launched and left, or only one extra movement is made near Panasonic and this does not irritate, then it is possible without a brand.
Brand is a good life-making tool for complex recipes.

I have a Panasonic - I use it often, often. Nice stove. And brandik - less often, but also a favorite. For special occasions

By the way, girls, tell me, but the valve began to fall out over time (when you completely open the lid) only with me or anyone else with such crap? This is not critical, I just get scared when he crashes on the table at the multicooker))))) This does not affect working qualities in ANY way.
I try not to forget to take it out first, before opening the lid.

that the pressure cooker, that the multi valves can fall out, such a fastening is provided for safety reasons. In the event of a malfunction, the valve will fly out and the saucepan will not explode. Therefore, valve fallout should not be considered a problem.

Take a closer look at the valve, what has weakened there? can twist, tighten? Maybe the pressure is rather weak?
problems something
just not tightly))) he should be able to fall out, if that ...

Sourdough baking in automatic mode is <...> not stable.

I support. I tried it. Did not work out.

Yes, there is nothing to tighten up. It simply fits freely and is not attached to anything. No, it's not a problem. Just a nuance.)) Thank you.

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016, 01:29 PM

My sister, her beloved Panasonic, changed her without looking at Brand when she took up the leaven.

My sister, her beloved Panasonic, changed her without looking at Brand when she took up the leaven.

I am not planning to replace anyone, I will never give my Panasik, but I thought 2 Brand to buy for help, for sourdough bread.

I am not against yeast and have never been against it. About the harm of yeast, in my opinion, all this is overblown, but sourdough bread is so interesting And when I have time I enjoy doing it, and when not, without even thinking, I put the bread on yeast.

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016, 01:29 PM

My sister, her beloved Panasonic, changed her without looking at Brand when she took up the leaven.

Well, if you ask me, I don't know which one is better to leave. I really like the quality of baking and automatic programs in Panasonic, I could not achieve this in a fireproof. Maybe this is just my copy of the stove, but I will not go to services and test something there. My fried top crust does not give, but I love this.
Somehow the automatic programs in the firewall did not work for me either. But to make pies with a long fermentation, or baked pastry ... that's all I ask the brand at once. Therefore, I love both Panasonic and the brand equally.

[fffuntic]

fffunticYou can't make a photo of Panasika and Brand together, I would understand the size of the brand.

[fffuntic]

fffunticYou can't make a photo of Panasika and Brand together, I would understand the size of the brand.

Olya has already tried before me. At one time, I was also puzzled by this question))) and doubted.
There is a comparative photo here in the brand's topic. I have the same stove.
"Bread maker Brand 3801 (2013) - experience of use". by MariV
it is the sixth from the bottom among the topics.

I don’t know for what reason I can’t even insert an internal link as a beginner. What is the reason and logic of such a prohibition - my little mind will not comprehend

I don’t know for what reason I can’t even insert an internal link as a beginner. What is the reason and logic of such a prohibition - my little mind will not comprehend

Probably because your profile is not completely filled out - Name, city, technology. Well, these are my assumptions.
And I have already ordered a bucket, if you want to use the functions of yogurt and jam I will make them in the second bucket.

jam

Better not to do it in bread makers.

Better not to do it in bread makers.

no ... if a second bucket is ordered, then no problem. In a bread maker, the bucket assembly is a weak point. If you pour liquid there all the time or aggressively exploit it, then it is he who gets loose and starts to leak. But if the problem falls on the second bucket, then there is no problem.

However, I would still first operate the stove and make sure that jam in xn is so important))) especially in large quantities.
On the other hand, it’s all about the toad, for free all the second bucket would be taken and cooked, at least for the experiment. The approach is absolutely correct, only costly

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016 2:26 pm

And yet ... yogurt is a very long activity, with active baking, there is hardly time left for it))) at the bread machine)))
For yoghurt, it would be better to buy a cartoon. I like multi and a cup for this business I like more, rounder and bigger))). Better yet, a yoghurt maker, a cartoon and a bread maker ... shorter than the Ostap, I'm sorry ...

On the other hand, it’s all about the toad, for free all the second bucket would be taken and cooked, at least for the experiment. The approach is absolutely correct, only costly

So the toad pushed to buy a bucket on Ozone at a special price, why not buy it half the price. And knowing myself, I would be cowardly over one bucket and blow away dust particles, otherwise I will calmly use and pay more attention to the quality of the product
Hmm ... Leaking from jam? Something I changed my mind about cooking it in a bread maker ... Well, maybe just once, for a test.

There is a multicooker-pressure cooker, I checked it now - there is a yogurt mode, but I don't have standers, can I do it right in the bowl?

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016 2:41 pm

Better yet, a yogurt maker, a cartoon and a bread maker ... in short, Ostap suffered, sorry ..

This is treated .. electricity bill True, my toad, for the sake of his well-fed belly, does not pay attention to such trifles))) but the devices themselves are yes, a little expensive.

So the toad pushed to buy a bucket on Ozone at a special price, why not buy it half the price. And knowing myself, I would be cowardly over one bucket and blow away dust particles, otherwise I will calmly use and pay more attention to the quality of the product
Hmm ... Leaking from jam? Something I changed my mind about cooking it in a bread maker ... Well, maybe just once, for a test.

There is a multicooker-pressure cooker, I checked it now - there is a yogurt mode, but I don't have standers, can I do it right in the bowl?

Added Thursday, 24 March 2016 2:41 pm

This is treated .. electricity bill True, my toad, for the sake of his well-fed belly, does not pay attention to such trifles))) but the devices themselves are yes, a little expensive.

when the stove comes, you will see in the bucket that there the pin rotates in plastic, not plastic, rubber, that is, in something that can be triggered)))) That's where the weak point is. It turns out there a heated sweet liquid - an aggressive environment, will eventually trigger. But with time. Having a second bucket for such a thing is a true idea - it is absolutely safe for the bread maker to cook jam, there the heating temperature is also low, it warms more on baking.
But for this padded insert, a lot of liquid in the bucket is not good over time.
That is why, by the way, the laying of products: at the bottom are dry, and at the top are liquid, it is more useful for inserting the pin, especially if this is done at a delayed start.

And about your beloved Panasonic. Since you have a brandyushka-stove first, then you can simulate a Panasonic in it))).
The site has modes from Panasonic. Again I can't give a link. I'll copy it if you don't find it.
Make the kneading sparing and shorter as in Panasonic.
Set the temperature on the usual mode with fermentation 30 degrees, on dietary and French 28 degrees. And it will be a la Panasonic. Nearly. It will be necessary to adjust the temperature and baking time to suit yourself, not stupidly like in Panasonic and make sure that the drafts do not blow over the stove. Brandy doesn't like them)))

Panasonic in comparison with the brandyusha.

Yes, there are a lot of modes, you will hardly use everything, you should not make jam and jams if you do not want the bucket to "flow".

I use two kneading programs almost daily, my favorite "French".
In Panas, you can also bake with sourdough, but this will already be "dancing with a tambourine."

But I no longer bake on "wild yeast" - leavens.

...

There is a multicooker-pressure cooker, I checked it now - there is a yogurt mode, but I don't have standers, can I do it right in the bowl?

but in my opinion, all these devices do not consume a lot of electricity. They don't bake around the clock and cook at high temperatures with a lot of energy consumption.

And for yogurt it is better to ask in the topic on multicooker. There girls are experts in this. For me, so what you want to put there, even the jars, the only thing is that the bottom does not scratch, you need to shove some kind of gasket between the banks and the bottom. If you decide to ferment directly in the bowl, then theoretically it should be without problems. It's just that there is metal or Teflon in the bowl, probably it is better to do this in glass. But .. maybe no difference. But it is more convenient to store in jars and do not need to pour. You can shove one big jar)))
And even when I make curd casserole right in the bowl of a multi-casserole, then wash the bowl with hot water and baking soda (carefully !!, just add it for the reaction) - otherwise, if I'm going to make milk porridge, my milk curdles.

Make the kneading sparing and shorter as in Panasonic.
Set the temperature on the usual mode with fermentation 30 degrees, on dietary and French 28 degrees. And it will be a la Panasonic. Nearly.

Does this somehow affect the quality of baked goods? For a crust, for example, or goodness-usefulness? I still do not understand these intricacies, at first I will bake in the built-in modes, and then I will start experimenting with manual settings.

otherwise if I'm going to make milk porridge, my milk curdles

my milk is constantly curdling although I only put potatoes on the baking mode. And white bloom on the bowl if washed and left to dry. If you wipe it off immediately, then there is no plaque.

Does this somehow affect the quality of the baked goods? For a crust, for example, or goodness-usefulness? I still do not understand these intricacies, at first I will bake in the built-in modes, and then I will start experimenting with manual settings.
my milk is constantly curdling although I only put potatoes on the baking mode. And white bloom on the bowl if washed and left to dry. If you wipe it off immediately, there is no plaque.

each hp has its own characteristics. You probably already realized that there are a lot of Panasonic fans here.
So, Panasonic and Brand are different in automatic programs. The brand has shorter cycles and more intensive batching. You need to try and personally find out your addictions for yourself.
For example, I only like the French regime in the brand.

But ... the fact is that in Brand you can imitate almost any bread maker, if you know exactly the temperatures and duration of cycles for other bread makers. That is, to see why people like Panasonic so much))))
And Panasonic has a completely different approach to programs. Long cycle, less intensive kneading.
All of this can be programmed into the brand.

And with the cup I also suffered. After the acid, the milk curdled. Until I personally solved this problem by additional boiling and processing with baking soda. I scored on the white spots))) After processing, you need to boil the milk a little, right at the bottom. If it does not fold, you can make porridge