Help with choosing a bread maker

And what can be wrong in Bushnaya, what to test? Somehow the date of production can be determined in order to understand how old it really is.
Can you tell from the inner compartment how much you used it? Or you can wash it to a new state.

[Banana]

Banana, production date - first two digits - year.


Test on Prog Pelmeni or Pizza - the spatula will rotate. The heating element will turn on on the Pastry.

Can you tell from the inner compartment how much you used it?

In my opinion, they used very little.

In my opinion, they used very little.

And there is something dear to break in it? Or is it possible to take and in which case it is not expensive to repair?

From the practice of use, which has been repeatedly discussed and confirmed on this forum, except for this detail in dispensers, everything else works reliably.

[Banana]

Banana, an expensive electronic board, but so that it does not break down is not heard on our forum, the Panas have everything in order with their brains.

I climb here on Avito, look after Panasonic, so it pops up there that you can buy a shovel for rye dough from 350 rubles. in spare parts stores.

[Irina]

Irina, with the shoulder blades, not everything is simple. I bought in our St. Petersburg store (on Juno), or rather sent my son, with a note with the model number. The scapula did not fit. I ordered two in China at once (solid and comb) - they came up. Then the girls here, at HP ordered in China - did not fit. In general, you need to check. With external similarity, it may not sit on the shaft

Thanks I'll know. I'll get hold of something Panasonic ...

[Irina]

Irina, I already had two attempts - I ordered in one service center here - I didn't fit, then I ordered a kit for Ali - they didn't sit on the shaft either.

[Gorenje BM1400E]

Hello dear members of the forum, please help me with the choice of a bread machine.
Interested in baking cakes and muffins, kneading dough for pies (pizza and dumplings), rye bread (at least after not very tiresome dancing with tambourines).
I want to try the baking of Ducan bread. Yes, baking (except for pies and pizza), I would like to do it in cotton, not in the oven.
The family is small, we do not eat much bread, we will not use cotton every day.
I considered options for European brands with a steel case, which, moreover, I liked the design.
I picked up 3 options:
1)Gorenje BM1400E... I like the design, the steel case, a good European brand, a large volume (convenient for dough for pies), the presence of 2 buckets (if you do not need a lot of bread, you can bake in 1 bucket), a viewing window, the presence of a programmable mode a la multibaker.
2)Kenwood BM450. Almost the same: design, brand, etc., except for double buckets and volume. The convection mode is interesting. How much does it improve the taste of baked goods?
3)Clatronic BBA 3365... Found this budget option, but there is very little information about it. The brand is European, the main functions are present.
What do you advise?

Interested in baking cakes and muffins, kneading dough for pies (pizza and dumplings), rye bread (at least after not very tiresome dancing with tambourines).
I want to try the baking of Ducan bread. Yes, baking (except for pies and pizza), I would like to do it in cotton, not in the oven.

Panasonic.

Galina, what if it is one of the proposed models?

but if it is from the proposed models?

Panasonic
We have discussed it many times. Panasonic meets all your requirements and wishes. It is also the most reliable bread maker.

Now, if I were now choosing HP (I have both Panasonic and Orson and Gemlux), then from the proposed list I would choose Gorene with 2 buckets. For 2, you can immediately bake both white and black bread, which is very convenient. And the price is normal, on the site there is a chowder for a special offer for 8350r.

Marina, thanks for the advice, I found this stove there. But the managers of the hobby began to discourage me (as well as from the Panasonic 2501, which I initially considered). For some reason they are pushing Garlin aggressively! I decided for myself that I would not take a little-known brand. Quite a strange store to be honest ... how many customers are losing !!!!

[Natuska]

Natuska, do not pay attention to the viewing window - many have already written here that it degrades the quality of baking and as a result, they attached foil from the inside. Kenwood is watched because of the volumes - he bakes a lot at a time. It's another matter if you want to get confused with sourdough bread - then you are in the subject of programmable bread makers, but the prices there, in my opinion, are not far from Panasonic.
The price for Panasonic is big, yes, but here they really take for reliability and quality. A reliable and strong horse for many years.
Marpl, two different white bread - yes, but here is white and black ... it's not for nothing that in the same Panasonic the modes are different, rye is one hour less!

For some reason they are pushing Garlin aggressively!

They are not alone! Here on the forum there are a lot of messages on this topic - people place an order for a specific bread maker, and they start to sell something without sane instructions and recipes. A certain office, even like about 2 years ago, tried to hit the forum about this.

two different white breads - yes, but white and black ... it's not for nothing that in the same Panasonic the modes are different, rye is one hour less!

I totally agree. Rye is also hot, another dough technology. If only black does not mean rye bread, but wheat-rye bread with the addition of malt ... Then you can together

Svetlana, I initially watched the Panasonic 2501, I pass the price. Attracted by a good brand (again!), An abundance of recipes and a friendly support team on this site. But ... I don't like the design, absolutely! The plastic drive (which was indicated in the mvideo) and the plastic panel with control buttons, which peels off right in the store, are also confusing.
Burning 1400 by design is just ideal for me !!! Although in fact "checkers are not as important as driving." So I am tormented with a choice ...

[Natuska]

NatuskaWell, what can I say ... I have a 257 for 10 years and nothing happened to the drive and the panel ... nothing came off and flew off ... only the mixer was slightly scratched.

The plastic drive (which was indicated in mvideo) is also confusing

Favourite song((((

plastic panel with control buttons

Sheer nonsense.
If you need bread, then choose Panasonic, if the design, then the one you like. Perhaps you will even like it for a short time until the bucket leaks or the motor breaks down, etc.

Natuska, take Panasonic, especially since you originally wanted it. You don't have to listen to the shop assistants. After buying Panasonic (about 10 years ago), all my relatives and friends got only Panasonic and no one has ever regretted it. The best and most reliable HP and the most delicious bread.

I do not know what plastic is in Panasonic, but for 11 years it has been working normally, only it began to stick in the bucket. I have a 255 model.

[Natalia]

NataliaWhere did you look at Panasonic? In the m-video? Don't ... Better just go to the Panasonic website and register, there will be a big discount for registration and free shipping - this is in case you stop at this brand.
As for the m-video ... I went here the other day to see them in the metropolis to watch a portable dishwasher live. It didn’t work, but that’s not about that ... I walked around the hall, I saw that there were bread makers, let me take a look. I looked and was stunned ... There is 2511 completely disheveled (even the top cover is on one side) and the inscription below - Panasonic 2512!

don't like the design, absolutely!

Oh, how long I tried to persuade myself to come to terms with her appearance and buy. I categorically did not like it by design and did not fit. And now I think it's good that I persuaded myself. Panasonic is a cool bread maker, don't hesitate, take it !! I took from a friend to play with (I don't remember which company), everything was spat. Heaven and earth. And the bakes are not so good and noisy. Panasonic is very quiet. And she, my friend, woke me up in the middle of the night, kneaded me very loudly. And how it signaled readiness, just awful horror !!

[Natuska]

Natuska, Natalia, take Panas. Fair. No wonder there is such a powerful support group here. Now they will run over us again that we are attacking everyone who chooses a bakery and demand to buy Panasonic. But nothing can be done - he is the best!

To me, too, the plasticity of design is not very good. But as you said yourself

Although in fact "checkers are not as important as driving."

But nothing can be done - he is the best!

[Natalia]

plastic drive

Natalia, the plastic drive is made so that it breaks during overload, cheap parts, and not the engine, which stands like the stove itself, if changed. I don’t know of a single person here on HP who would break this plastic knot. Take Panasik - you won't regret it. Well, it's not in vain that we all here stand up for Panasiki so much. Many of them already have two, in the city and in the country

You will get used to the design. What should I do . Hide it somewhere when you are not baking

all the same from the proposed models?

It’s necessary to find a person who used these models, which I think is not possible!
therefore, read at least a few last pages, I think that you will make a conclusion yourself
Good luck!

[Mirabel]

Mirabel, Kenwood, in my opinion, they discussed ... why I remembered - there the lady took it for a large yield of bread, the family is big.

[Natalia]

NataliaOf the above, only Kenwood BM450, the rest of China, neither burning nor clathronic HP themselves do not produce, this is an assembly according to ODM agreements, Kenwood also does not go well Kenwood-DeLongy, which of them sculpts HP is not clear, also China. Panasonic, as it were, a legislator of domestic HP, although he produces them himself at his factory in China

[Vika]

Vika, yes I am not hoping to find a user of all three stoves. The clathronic is in trouble, but are there really no Kenwood and Gorene users? I read the profile topics for these models on the forum. Something there is no activity there, this is surprising.
Natasha (caprise23), Svetlenki, I am very glad that I am not alone in my claims to the design of Panasonic. I just need to understand for myself whether the Panasonic (in my case 2501) is good enough to neglect its appearance for the sake of popularity and an abundance of recipes.
Svetlana201, yes, initially I considered the Panasonic 2501 as an option, based on its popularity on the Yandex market. About 2-3 weeks ago Gorenje 1400 were not sold at all, I thought this model had already been discontinued. Started watching clathronic, kenwood. And a week ago, burning 1400 appeared on the Internet again! Now I'm ripe.
Panasonic Club girls, thanks for your info (and for inviting me to join your community). Please do not be offended by the fact that I mentioned some of the disadvantages of Panasonic. Disadvantages "have a place to be" in any brand and any model.

only Kenwood BM450, the rest of China, neither burning nor clathronic HP do not produce themselves, this is assembly according to ODM agreements

Alexander, what does it mean by ODM agreements? Don't Gorenje and Klatronic have their factories in China?

My HP Kenwood 450 was 9 years old this year. Then Panasonic was very expensive and did not like the appearance (shape). Kenwood was attracted by the design and the opportunity to buy a round bucket for baking cakes.
During use, three buckets deteriorated, including a round one, and began to leak. The knot into which the bucket is inserted has also burst. It's good that my husband found a craftsman at the factory who brewed it.
I baked Easter cakes in KhP a couple of times.If you bake according to the recipe that goes in the recipe book, then they are not sweet, you put more sugar - they burn. I bake in the oven.
I liked the bread, it tasted better than the store one. But when I tried bread from Panassonica, especially "French", I realized that there is better HP! I took the French recipe from Panassonik, and from our website, but it doesn't work out the same as from Panas! There, and the cooking time is different.
Yes, it is also noisy when mixing. The dispenser was disconnected altogether, since it opened with a bang and squeak, and the bread was often put overnight.
Therefore, when Kenwood completely falls into disrepair, I will definitely buy a Panassonic.

really no Kenwood users

I had Kenwood. Compared to Panas, night and day. do not waste time and buy Panasonic.

[Natuska]

The clathronic is in trouble, but are there really no Kenwood and Gorene users? I read the profile topics for these models on the forum. Something there is no activity there, this is surprising.
I just need to understand for myself whether the Panasonic (in my case 2501) is good enough to neglect its appearance for the sake of popularity and an abundance of recipes.
initially I considered the Panasonic 2501 as an option, based on its popularity on the Yandex market.

Well, if you saw how many pages in the topic on Gorenie since 2011 (!!!) and how many in Panassonica, then, as they say, comments are unnecessary!
Natuska, Success in your choice!

[DO NOT glue]

Please do not be offended by the fact that I mentioned some of the disadvantages of Panasonic. Disadvantages "have a place to be" in any brand and any model.

What are you, what grudges. There is no perfection.

don't like the design, absolutely!

Many people do not like it, even Panasonic owners. But, looking at the design of the early stoves and new ones, there are no big changes. Somehow, Panasonic does not chase super-duper designs in its products at all
In the HP Panasonic topic there is an example when my husband called this simple device with a simple design - "a pig with legs" But, he agreed to endure this miracle beast because of delicious bread

The plastic drive (which was indicated in mvideo) is also confusing

Sellers in different stores poke at this, not knowing, or deliberately worsening their opinion about the product in order to push through what they need. To be fair, read a small post on the link, it explains about the same plastic
Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns # 1862

plastic panel with control buttons, which is peeled off right in the store.

There are 2 options with this: either a good HP stood on the windscreen in the scorching sun and the coating peeled off from constant overheating (which then DO NOT glue back. Consider this.); or they sell cheap Panasonic fakes, which is rare, but still found. China can even fake itself Well, for our sellers, of course, the cheaper the purchase, the better
Although the stoves are made at a factory in China, they are of good quality: the panel does not come off even after decades of use; buckets do not flow; the coating of the buckets does not peel off;

[Natuska]

if you saw how many pages in the topic on Gorenie since 2011 (!!!) and how many in Panassonica, then, as they say, comments are unnecessary!

This is not an entirely adequate comparison, because there may be more / less people, and everyone's sociability is different

Natuska, I do not persuade you to buy Panasonic, although I have this particular HP and in general I dearly love this brand. I just wanted to tweak my opinion and understanding a bit about this product.

Natalia, the choice is yours. Remember, this is a long-term purchase, for years.
Have a good choice !!!

sociability is different for everyone

Panasonic people seem to be the most sociable
All the same, I think it's not about our sociability, but about the emotions from our Panasiks. It's a pleasure to share good results.

[Natalia]

With this there are 2 options: either a good HP stood on the windscreen in the scorching sun and the coating peeled off from constant overheating (which then can NOT be glued back in ANY way. Consider this.); or they sell cheap Panasonic fakes, which is rare, but still found. China can even fake itself

Natalia, bread makers with peeled panels stand on a shelf in the middle of the store. Suppose that they used to stand in a shop window near the window and the sun was shining on them. But it is not scorching in Moscow, the temperature is much higher when baking! Let's say that it is the buyers who peeled off the panels with "playful hands". But then other models of kitchen appliances, the same multicooker, would have been killed. And visually everything is in order with them. Mvideo is a fairly good chain of stores, besides, it is an official dealer (infa from the office of the Panasonic website). If there are already fakes there, then even more so in online stores.

Panasonic girlsHave any of you come across a detachable dashboard on your models?

Therefore, when Kenwood completely falls into disrepair, I will definitely buy a Panassonic.

Olga, I am very interested in your opinion as the owner of Kenwood! I already know about bad buckets, I read it in the profile thread. What about convection? Doesn't it provide advantages in baking compared to other cotton products?

I had Kenwood. Compared to Panas-night and day

Vika, did you have 450 kenwood? And why did you not like him, if not a secret?

[Natalia]

bread makers with peeled panels stand on a shelf in the middle of the store. Suppose that they used to stand in a shop window near the window and the sun was shining on them. But it is not scorching in Moscow, the temperature is much higher when baking! Let's say that it is the buyers who peeled off the panels with "playful hands". But then other models of kitchen appliances, the same multicooker, would have been killed. And visually everything is in order with them. Mvideo is a fairly good chain of stores, if there are already fakes there, then even more so in online stores.

Natalia, you lose sight of the difference in the effect of temperature outside, on the body, and inside the body during the operation of the bread maker. When exposed to sunlight through glass, which works as a lens, the heating temperature increases many times and reaches a critical one with a long exposure time or a short but regular one every day. From a technical point of view, during the operation of the bread machine, engineers have carefully thought out the protection and insulation of the body from the influence of the internal heating temperature of the bread machine and it cannot lead to such malfunctions during operation. To promote and successfully sell other brands, good marketing is needed, which requires not only competent specialists, but also certain financial costs, or you can simply put a model similar to your description on the store shelf, which will make the buyer think about the reliability of the Panasonic brand. To put it mildly, an incorrect reception, since it does not correspond to reality.

Panasonic driver girls, have any of you come across a detachable dashboard on your models?

No, I have not come across and have not seen such reviews, both many years ago, when choosing a bread machine, and now.

I'm very glad that I'm not alone in my claims to the design of Panasonic.

It goes without saying that it all depends on personal preferences and the general style of your kitchen, but this bread maker fits quite well into the interior thanks to the light color scheme, streamlined elegant lines of the body, laconic appearance and minimalism in the aesthetics of control (does not require unnecessary movements during work saving time, the main the lid is convenient for both right-handers and left-handers, etc., etc., which is understandable, but not too noticeable when using the bread maker, since the logic comes from natural movements and even an intuitive control panel).

Hello dear members of the forum, please help me with the choice of a bread machine.
What do you advise?

Natalia, take the model that you like, sunk into the soul, because perhaps you will always doubt and think that it would be better and look for flaws in the acquired other model or look for flaws in other models. And, perhaps, it turns out that not only from a technical and aesthetic point of view, but also baked bread will suit your taste. If not, then you will learn a lot of new and interesting things, including about the notorious "dancing with tambourines", to get a good taste of homemade bread and already define exactly the criteria and characteristics of a new (desired and suitable for you) bread machine.

Natalya, bread makers with peeled panels are on a shelf in the middle of the store. Suppose that they used to stand in a shop window near the window and the sun was shining on them. But it is not scorching in Moscow, the temperature is much higher when baking! Let's say that it is the buyers who peeled off the panels with "playful hands". But then other models of kitchen appliances, the same multicooker, would have been killed.

I will add a little to Ilona's words: FACT - when the HP is working, the control panel never heats up to a critical one, only a little bit, which without a purpose can not be determined and not felt. You can safely reprogram HP during operation; there is no guarantee that these HPs with damaged panels are not from other stores, and it is not known how many years they are shop-wind years in general.
Of course I want to believe the seller, but alas, now almost everyone is lying
It is impossible for buyers to tear off the panel even in the presentation room for a year, well, no one will deliberately pick a beautiful high-quality device. Yes, there is nothing to catch your eyes, so you want to pick.
For many years here on the forum, I do not remember that at least someone complained about the unsticked panel. And here is the description of the distorted peeled-off panel on windy HP - it was once.

And, perhaps, I agree - buy what you like

Olga, I am very interested in your opinion as the owner of Kenwood! I already know about bad buckets, I read it in the profile thread. What about convection? Doesn't it provide advantages in baking compared to other cotton products?

To be honest, I didn’t know that convection only in Kenwood and what it gives is also nothing to compare with. Probably due to convection, the bread is not wet if you do not get it right after baking. But perhaps due to convection, the crust of the bread is always dense, it crumbles when slicing. I do not know

Perhaps you shouldn't buy Panassonic, otherwise you will look for and see only shortcomings in it. Buy the brand you like and you will see only the advantages, not noticing the obvious shortcomings.
In general, one gets the impression that they are trying to persuade you to buy Panassonic, because they bought it themselves and "suffer" with it. The forum has a very trusting relationship. When buying Kenwood-450 in 2010, the choice of HP was limited and I was not familiar with the Bread Maker. RU. Now, if I need to buy something, I ask for advice only here.
Happy shopping!

what does it mean by ODM agreements? Don't Gorenje and Klatronic have their factories in China?

Alas, they do not produce CP themselves, Goreniya has its own factory for the production of gas stoves, refrigerators and washers, in Slovenia, Serbia, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands, the rest is almost all assembled under contracts
PS ODM / OEM stoves https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=26545.0
Clatronic collects everything under contracts 🔗 something is good, in some places the quality is below the baseboard

description of the distorted peeled-off panel on the windscreen HP

I say that literally 3 weeks ago I saw 2511 completely smashed on a store shelf ... not a single normal person in their right mind would buy this, and, by the way, a normal seller would not put it on sale. Taking into account its own service center, m-video is seriously annoying - this particular copy could well have been left for spare parts, but apparently they do not apply to the service with Panasonic!

[Natalia]

In the HP Panasonic topic there is an example when my husband called this simple device with a simple design - "a pig with legs" But, he agreed to endure this miracle beast because of delicious bread

This is my husband! And now we both dearly love our pig))))
Natalia, do you plan to keep the bread maker on the table, do not clean it up? If you clean it, what's the difference how it looks, the main thing is how it bakes. I put it in the locker (I don't like it when everything is overcrowded), she does not irritate my eyes, but the way she bakes bread forgives her all the design flaws. After all, bread makers differ not only in appearance, but also in the quality of baking, and in reliability and noise.

Panasonic driver girls, have any of you come across a detachable dashboard on your models?

No, I haven't heard of that. To be honest, the design of Panasik suits me. I love white technology. And I try, if there is a choice, to take models of kitchen appliances in white. I have Panasik 2511.

[Alexander]

Alas, they do not produce CP themselves, Goreniya has its own factory for the production of gas stoves, refrigerators and washers, in Slovenia, Serbia, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands, the rest is almost all assembled under contracts

Alexander, thanks for the technical educational program. I read the material on your link, I still had to google a little. As it turned out, the abbreviation ODM, unfamiliar to me, hides a well-known principle of operation, when the owners of a well-known brand order the manufacture of goods according to their design and technical characteristics in China. But at the same time they monitor the quality and "build" Chinese manufacturers. At the same time, a Chinese factory can produce products under different brands, but the quality of the goods will depend on the strictness and integrity of the controllers-customers. Quality control Slovenian brand I completely trust. Everything would be fine, but in the process of searching I came across information that Gorenje brand was acquired by the Chinese company Hisense summer 2018! This is already a blow below the belt, and not only to me, but to the entire European community. Yes, there are factories in Europe that produce large household appliances, which are (so far) controlled by the Slovenes. Gorenje small kitchen appliances have always been produced in China and are now controlled by ... the Chinese! No words!
The only hope remains that since the 1400 was developed long before the brand was bought out, it has not yet been corrupted by the hawk-handed Chinese.
Alexander, and what brands would you recommend? by quality, except for Panasonic?

[Natalia]

Natalia, It is rather difficult to advise in this case, I would have said that LG earlier, but they stopped producing HP.
If you have any financial constraints, take Panasonic on the secondary

Panasonic stopped producing multicooker, skis - bread machines ... or I'm paranoid or Redmond is slowly squeezing out competitors ...

[Alexander]

Panasonic stopped producing multicooker, skis - bread machines ... or I'm paranoid or Redmond is slowly squeezing out competitors ..

And the Chinese buy the world famous European brand with giblets ... here is no longer paranoia, but the worldwide Chinese expansion. Have sunk ....
Alexander, and at Panasonic it is their factories in China? Not ODM?

take the model that you liked, sunk into the soul, because, perhaps, you will always doubt and think that it would be better and look for flaws in the acquired other model or look for flaws in other models

Only one sunk into the soul - 1400, it was love at first sight. To be honest, I didn't expect that there are almost no gorenje owners on the forum, it would be interesting to hear their opinion. The resulting infa about the brand's repurchase makes you think hard.