Help with choosing a bread maker

There is another problem on which some regret the money spent on HP and stop baking bread. Paradoxically, this is a very tasty bread. And, if you are on a diet, it can affect you too.
For myself, I found such an option, I immediately divide the finished bread into parts and into the freezer. Then he warmed it up in the microwave and it was almost like from the oven. My wife and I have enough of a small loaf for two days.
True, sometimes you break down and you can immediately eat a loaf and there is a break in baking.

the question about the dispenser - how infuriates it (if you don't put anything in it) with its presence in 2511

The dispenser does not work on all programs, but only on those with additives.

Marina, I have this dispenser on the table, it's removable. It breaks down from heating when baking, so I rarely insert it, only on the programs with additives and take it out as soon as it works, that is, I never heated it on baking. So I don’t think he’s going to piss me off. With a difference of 1 thousand rubles, it is better to take 2511.
The instructions for 2510 and 2511 are the same, with numbers 2510/2511 separated by a slash. And in the text there are asterisks and other instructions on their features.
It is theoretically possible and possible to get bread as in a store in HP, but in practice
To my taste, HP tastes better, but many persistently and for a long time take out the store taste at home. The taste is generally a strange thing, everyone has their own, and different people taste the same product differently.
HP is also a dough mixer. For the princess, I knead pizza dough and pies in panasika. The dumplings and pasties are the same in it. Now, well, maybe I only make cheese cakes and lazy khachapuriki by hand

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, I will fit in with advice. I do not have Panasonic, but I will definitely buy it when my erisson stove orders to live long. Maybe you should buy a cheap oven first and practice baking bread? I have the simplest one for 8 years. I baked any bread in it, though not on the machine. I read all the recipes and adjusted them for myself. It was interesting and informative for me. For two years, all the neighbors were fed with my bread. Then it got cold, now only kneading, I rarely bake, and even then in the oven. Moreover, it is materially expensive for you.

If you want pure rye bread, forget about the bread maker. There is not a single bread machine, including the vaunted Panosonic, that can handle pure rye bread in automatic mode. At one time, he himself chose a bread maker for a long time and in the end abandoned it in the direction of a good oven. I bake bread every two weeks, two loaves of 1250 gr. It is simply stored in a bread bin, does not stale, does not grow moldy. I make it without yeast using homemade rye sourdough. If you are tuned in to such bread, then forget about the bread maker, but if you want white or rye-wheat, then yes: any cheapest Panasonic, and do not powder your brains to yourself or your husband.

Lord, girls! I wanted hp for 3 thousand. .. I thought, well, a couple of thousand more, but now my brain exploded, I read it, and instead of people, it turns out ... about flour, I don't know anything, about the rest of the ingredients, too ... how I generally lived then

Very familiar
I started my search with Metrovskaya HP, but after reading about different companies, I chose from Panasonic and Mulinex. I chose 2511. Conclusion after 4 years of use: I need rye and low-yeast modes, but I could do without a dispenser.

If you are in the mood for such bread, then forget about the bread maker

Well, I would not be so categorically straight. We have very smart and talented LiveJournal bloggers who post recipes and complete technology for making Borodino sourdough bread in a Panasonic bread maker. I can't insert the link, the forum will cut it mercilessly.And in Yandex in the search you need to type

Borodino bread in a bread maker r e g i s t r r

The last word without spaces. The very first link to Sergey's blog.

want PURE rye bread

in my opinion Marina was planning to buy a kneader as well. will figure it out over time, she needs pure rye bread or will arrange from a bread machine

Really some kind of sect of Panasoikovodov.

but not a sect ... it was just possible to compare with other hoebopechki and Panas won by a wide margin!
I also baked bread before Panas, mainly in the oven

learned to be friends with bread, flour, leaven,

Well, this is not given to everyone!

and not stupidly measure the ingredients and shove them into the bread maker.

It's tough! but we still do not stupidly measure and shove, but watch the side, add something, sometimes stop the bread maker.
There is no need to be so categorical, we advised Marina a lot of everything, and from the heart and she, I hope, will make the right decision and will eat delicious bread!

[Lord 68]

Really some kind of sect of Panasoikovodov. They don't want to listen to anything.

"I have not read, but I condemn!"
Lord 68, you do not have a bread machine, but you are handing out advice.
Nobody, except you, allowed himself a single negatively colored word, but you accuse of rudeness. It is illogical. And ugly.

Vika. I do not argue, there are a lot of tips and many of them are not bad, but still everything again turned into praise of Panasonic. And in my opinion the first question should be: what kind of bread do you want to get? If it is rye and wheat, then yes, I agree - from bakeries, panosonic is probably beyond competition, although many people bake well in others. If it is purely rye, then we must answer honestly: without dancing with a tambourine, the bread machine will not succeed and it is not worth spending money on what will then need to be sold on Avito with a 50% discount. Honestly endured for a long time and did not write. I thought maybe at least someone could direct a person in the right direction, but ...

And why argue, it was written

I did not quite correctly say - I want to have not rye bread, but rather Borodinsky or something similar.

Ninel. I do not have a bread machine precisely because at one time smart people and by the way here on the forum explained everything and I made my choice, which I wrote above. You are simply forcing the person to make a purchase that she may never need. And that's why I wrote that you are like a sect. Thank God that at one time there were more real professionals on the forum who helped, gave advice, and not stupidly convinced of the need to buy exactly what they have. I hope I was able to convey to you the idea that you need to first find out what a person wants to get, and then advise.

everything again turned into praise for Panasonic.

Well, Marina needs advice, she decided to buy some kind of bread maker and ask the forum for advice, so we began to praise our Panasiks and you gave your advice. She is an adult girl, she will read US ALL! and decide! Itself will decide everything, without our battles that nobody needs!

just force the person to make a purchase

is someone forcing? we advise! we tell our situations, when and how our x-stove helps us, and you give some counter-arguments when you can do without it and bake perfectly in the oven.
I will repeat myself! everyone helps and advises Marina and does not compete with each other. Isn't it true?

Vika. After Michael's post, I withdraw my objections. Probably missed about the fact that kartinka clarified that she did not need pure rye. If I noticed right away I would not write anything, because personally I am not interested in the discussion of bread makers and the only reason I read this topic and some others is because I once wrote in them and studied them. Now I do not know how to unsubscribe from them, so as not to litter the forum.

Under the message there is an Unsubscribe button, click and messages will no longer come.

[Lord 68]

Girls, boys. .. do not swear ..... Lord 68, alexander, I always remember you when I take out the vacuum cleaner - such a necessary assistant!
Mirabel, Ninelle, Svetlenki, $ vetLana, Tancha, girls, there are so many of you, do not be offended, whom you did not name
I respect and love you ALL ... : girl_love: members of the forum are like a family, but anything can happen to a family, and we are so different. I myself am to blame, at first I incorrectly formulated my Wishlist. And all your advice is very correct and necessary. I have always used them to the fullest and I hope to continue to hear your opinions, different, and they help with the choice. Boys just talk more specifically, not like us, but it supposes to be determined
As for Panasonic, in principle, such a majority cannot be mistaken, everything was decided by reliability. In addition, a dough mixer is needed (although a dough mixer was needed, bread-sausage, and with the sausage, for now, again handles ...)

I came from the store. Well, say. ...
Bread maker 2511, as it turned out, no. But I was persistently offered a Panasonic loan for 23 thousand with something. I don't even remember the model. I was so upset. ... prepared for me Pan Panas for everything - and yeast-free and rye on the machine.
Remains -ordered 2510 and 2501. You can still choose in the same online store.
2510 does not make a rye machine, but you can use a rye-wheat machine and there is no dispenser.
2501 - 2 scapula, automatic rye, but no yeast-free, pull the scapula ...
For the money, I will, On the idea of ​​\ u200b \ u200b rye I can do in 2510, and so about yeast-free in 2501, this is probably the main point.
It is necessary now to somehow decide again

Now I do not know how to unsubscribe from them, so as not to litter the forum.

After the last message in the subject there is a button "unsubscribe", press and you will be happy!

[Arnica]

Arnica, Marpl, Lord 68, Alexander, girls, how so! They misunderstood at first, now everything has been sorted out, trivial things are everyday (carlson) guys. .. let's live in peace! !!! Helping me further! !!



It's my fault from the very beginning - I myself got confused and confused you, I want to foresee the maximum, again it seems like I should think, but in my head it's a complete mess, forgive me .. yesterday, in the morning I stopped at 2511
Well, I thought -2501

This is my fault from the very beginning - I myself got confused and confused you, I want to foresee the maximum, again it seems like I have to think, but in my head it's a complete mess, forgive me .. yesterday, in the morning, I stopped at 2511
Well, I thought -2501

Marina, yes herself, I always doubt and face a choice.
And it often happens that “too much” is given a shortage, that is, you are not always happy with the choice.
We are

with sausage while again handles. ..)

I kneaded the ham in my bread maker.

[Arnica]

Arnica, Olechka, the second day, intermittently, I am poking infra - so many opportunities for hp and for baking bread, I have not yet delved deeply into bread, there is so much of everything .... hp is needed until I understand this matter and for speed for now. It's a pity to buy something that is not exactly what you think about - only we think about different things, that's why it turns out that way. I just didn't plan to buy HP, everything was decided spontaneously.
What we have - I took off the order for 2510, I didn’t find 2511 ANYWHERE, even in online stores, I ordered for 12300 seconds (taking into account my discounts, about 300 rubles) Ozone 2501, compared to 2510 we outweighed 2 shovels and rye on the machine , yeastless I will try to get out somehow, Mihaill, Mikhail, thank you very much, it’s a pity that I couldn’t find nowhere 2511, as you bought it, this is really the optimal model (although delivery is only on April 17, maybe it will appear where ...), Lord 68Alexander, thank you very much for the clarification. Girls - Thank you ALL for your participation.
Thank you

I kneaded the ham in my bread maker.

I, too, and every time I was insanely sorry for my Pan Panas, (first of all for the coating of the bucket), the purchase of a kneader solved this issue. And now my second HP is Mrs. Sonya, and it helps with small amounts of dough, well, and the main task: it performs baking of various bread.

every time I was insanely sorry for my Pan Panas, (first of all, the coating of the bucket),

I have a cheap HP, I've been waiting for three years for her to come up with a kirdyk to buy Panasonic. And she is like Kashchei the Immortal.

[Mihaill]

she is like Kashchei the Immortal

I have such a tabletop oven, with an incomprehensible name, bought by the devils when in a small regional town on the market -mmm. ... None of the 5 ovens could do that.
I here asked Mikhail -: oops: maybe (he just bought 2511) there is still one that is with delivery .... I was very attracted by a low-yeast automatic bread machine.



Mihaill, when I read everything in a row and not in a row - in 2511 everyone praises the low-yeast bread mode very much, in your model it is on the machine

I found 2511 in Kursk on an ad, called, bought my mother for her anniversary, she refused to use it. Here we solve the issue with delivery and payment, according to the photo - new, in the package, I'm worried.

I've been waiting three years for her to come

bread a couple of times a week + every other day, or even every day some kind of tight dough - dumplings, manti, noodles = my first hp Mystery lasted 4 years, then the shaft entrance in the bucket got broken, I couldn't buy a new bucket, I covered up a hole with clay in a bucket and the stove has become just a stove, bakes bread. And the next xn Supra lasted 3 years, but she just burned out, she didn't want to cooperate with me anymore.

I kneaded the ham in my bread maker.

So do I. And she got covered with me last weekend

I then asked Mikhail -: oops: maybe (he just bought 2511) there is still one that is with delivery ...

One was, I did not find it anywhere else. And the delivery is not small, according to the first link 3000r with a crate.

White bread is as good as 256, but the crust is lighter. The noise is very low.
and with rye-wheat you will have to experiment.

Who is there 2511 nada?

The price is high.

There are for 12 in m-video, but a display case ... I would not take ... I already had the experience of buying a display drip coffee maker from them ... And so - everywhere for this price ...

Now I looked, in 2 weeks the offers have sharply decreased, but ozone has for 12990

I sent the money for 2511, I hope everything will end well, the stove seems to be in the package, unused, although the price comes out with a shipment of 10, the family is adequate in the conversation, so far
I don't think, my daughter has decided to give birth ... so I go around the maternity hospital in circles. ..

[Mihaill]

Mihaill, well, if such a booze went ... then on the Panasonic website in their online store for 16,090 =, but there 4000 points for initial registration are immediately credited + free shipping ...

Girls are boys, they have already sent everything to us, so we are waiting for 2511, while without HP, but with the granddaughter 3190 / 50cm.

but with a granddaughter 3190 / 50cm.

Hurrah!!! What good news! This is happiness! ... Congratulations!
Health to the baby and mother. Let the girl grow up happy, smart, loved by all of you for the joy!

[kartinka]

kartinka, with the addition of the family! Health to mom and baby!

[kartinka]

kartinka, I do not have Panas, but Moulinex, my mother has the first lie. So mulka-byaka, the ski is smart, but something happened to the brains in the ski. Neither there nor there is no rye Borodinsky baking according to the recipe from the site
Borodino bread "The same" in a bread maker (v_v_su)

... it turns out vsenda, according to the same recipe, baked in the oven, it tastes better in the oven! I regret that I listened to the toad, and not the girls from the bread machine and took Mulinex

[Olga]

Olga, the toad always croaks louder ...

[Olga]

Olga, and what did Moulinex not please?
I get bread there without any problems. True, I have not tried pure rye, but wheat-rye is excellent on dry yeast.

Are there little Panasonic. Recently, friends came to us, they really liked the idea of ​​homemade bread, but they do not eat much bread. Our stove is too big for them, they want to be smaller. Is there such a thing?

[Marfusha81]

Marfusha81, firstly, the smell, it smells barely noticeable plastic, the coating of the bucket is disgusting, it began to peel off in a month. Some kind of sticky bread. although the same recipes in the ski with a bang and in the oven with a bang. I don't like her

[Gingi]

GingiSmall Panasonic SD-ZP2000 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=528444.0
Standard bucket for previous models from 400g for flour

[Alexander]

Alexander, Well, it is also not small, a standard bucket from old Panasonic also fits into it, and the original bucket for it contains only 100 grams of flour less. I heard that there are little Panasonic in Japan, but they are not brought to us.

[Sedne]

Sedne, in theory, on e-bay should seem to be ...

e-bay should seem to be ...

Just remember that there is a different mains voltage and plug standard

Girls-boys, I decided to unsubscribe after meeting Pan Panas. Such a solid stove Panasik does not even dare to name it. Well, what can I say, I am wildly delighted with 2511 I use at first often, I want to try everything. I baked Easter cakes - so I liked it. .... it works quietly - I even went to the beginning and listened. The only moment - when the dispenser on the coulter worked - I thought the war began How
I did the right thing, that I obeyed all of you, and not my toad. The bread is delicious, even taking into account my scanty experience. I read the branches, but there are so many subtleties and different moments, but .... while I am studying, we are already eating our bread. Thanks to everyone who set their brains in the right direction. Maybe I'll grow up to baked bread, but for now PanPanas will help us out.
Thanks a lot again

My Gorenje died after a year of rare use and here they offer a used Panasonic 2501 in good condition. How does it differ from the rest of Panasonic and how much should it cost, approximately, in the bu version?)

[Banana]

Banana, here on this link you can see comparative tables for programs
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I saw on Avita from 3,500 to 8,000 rubles for a used Panasonic. As I understand it, the 2501 is the additive dispenser model. If you buy, immediately remove and store separately, inserting only on programs with additives. In dispensers, the plastic latch breaks from high temperatures.

offer used Panasonic 2501 in good condition

The new one costs about 13 tons. For example, on Ozone:
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For half the price, I would take it.
Panasonic are all great cars.