Help with choosing a bread machine

[Marina]

Marina, I bought on Beru, though some kind of trifle, like a toy and tea for a dog. In principle, in terms of assortment, it is much inferior to Ozone, but I no longer buy at Ozone

[Marina]

Marinato check, turn on any program, see if the stirrer is spinning, and then program Baking for a few seconds, this will check if the heating elements are heating. That's the whole test.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Lyudmilochka, here I don't care about the assortment, since I really need it (in the m-video they announced the price for those that will be brought, about 12,800, a piece of paper remained at home, or so, and therefore began to rush about, especially since I do not need my husband yet to learn how to bake bread, so that - "delicious bread? Where - ??, and I - once, such ... and hp on the table !!!). The main thing is that they bring a new one safe and sound
I will count on the courier, after checking (here's another question), so it's kind of normal. What about Ozone? I missed something ...



Yarik,

The mixer will immediately spin on the programs without equalizing the temperatures (for example, dumplings, pizza)

[Svetlana]

Svetlana , that's for sure, I completely forgot about equalizing the temperature, now I would mislead Marina.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana,
1. Plug in the cord
2. Turn on the dumplings / pizza - the stirrer must be spinning (will it be necessary to put it on? Will I put it in at least right away?
4. Turn off the dumplings
5. Turn on the baking for a couple of seconds - should start to warm up
6.turn off the cord and give the money
7. Wash this case and start baking bread. ...
Ps girls, what kind of bread? Simple and tasty, my whey is full, I need to mentally prepare. ..



Yarik, will you from -alignment? I saw such words, but I still don’t really understand .... there is generally a soooo treatise-to-read-not to re-read, so what should be on this alignment?

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, I highly recommend starting with this bread.

Daily white bread with live / pressed yeast in a Panasonic SD-2500 bread maker (Waist)

I keep my fists so that the purchase is successful.

Wash this case

The right approach! Unwashed equipment is not covered by the warranty.
And for a start, try any of the instructions. Water can be replaced with serum.

will it be necessary to put it? I will insert it at least immediately

You will put it, no problem. And keep in mind that the backlash of the mixer is the norm for Panasik

7. To wash this case and start baking bread

Here's a good approach. The main thing is that number 7 does not become 1

[Marina]

Marina, look at the official website for a complete set. You can check by turning on the "dumplings" mode. Or "baked goods" to check the tena. But still it will take time, I do not know, the courier will wait.

[Ninelle]

Ninelle,

I don't know, the courier will wait.

where will he go from the submarine! I'll put a little dog in front of the door

Yarik, will give you - alignment

This is a feature of HP Panasonic, the kneading does not start immediately, but somewhere in half an hour, so to speak, heats the products to the same temperature. And so, there is nothing complicated there.

[Ninelle]

While my phone was stupid, they already told everything ...

Ninellewhere will he go from the submarine! I'll put a little dog in front of the door

This is according to our

I, too, did not immediately buy xp, then I found a used one in excellent condition on Avito, and now I think: how I lived without it before)))

[Yarik]

Yarik, no on Avito, I called a friend, she buys everything only at discounts and announcements. e. In theory, in the course, she says that we did not have Panasonic, they sell new ones, such as shops - and their prices are higher than usual .. although if I could buy it, I would of course take it.
I read about alignment yesterday by the way

[Marina]

Marina, good luck to you!!! Follow the recommendations of local craftsmen and you will succeed!
And the first bread should be ONLY! the one that Sveta advised you. stupidly measure everything and God help you!

since it is necessary (in the m-video they announced the price for those that will bring, about 12,800,

Which model did you choose?
You shouldn't rush, it's better to think carefully. You can refuse even when the courier arrives.
In my time. I really regretted that I bought 256, not 257, it was better to borrow 2000.

[Mihaill]

Mihaill, so for 12804 (looked at the piece of paper) they will bring 2510 this to us in mvideo, it is not known when, Beru promises for 10019 -500r = 9500r for acquaintance
Do you recommend the 2511 with the dispenser?



I looked at Beru again .... there was only one 2501 left there, though it is more expensive, 12800r (mother dear, the price! Is it me), with the same minus 500r = 12300r so is it that much better? To overpay 2800r or what - What, you need to reorder?

[Mihaill]

Mihaill,
Do you recommend the 2511 with the dispenser?

Yes, 2511, already wrote, bought yesterday for 12990. For me, the main thing is not a dispenser, but rye bread. Although a dispenser is also sometimes needed, it missed a beep at 256 several times, and it was not possible to add on time.
I bake 90% on the machine and at night.

In my time. I was very sorry

It is in human nature, to regret "not come true"
I have a 2511 model, well, I have a dispenser, but I still don't put it on at night, it bangs so hard that you can become a stutterer if you wake up from its sound. But this is my situation, I have a house, one might say a studio, there are no partitions, only the bathroom is separated by walls and doors. Maybe behind closed doors, in the distant corridor, someone will not hear him.
And the rye program is no longer interesting for me, I bake rye bread in manual mode: 10 minutes of kneading on dumplings, proofing in a cartoon on yogurt, here in different ways from 40 minutes to 1.5 hours, and baking in a cartoon for 1.5 hours. But again this is my preference
Marinochka, think, if it is not very difficult financially, then it is better to take 2511, and if it is better to save money, then 2510 is a very good unit! I keep pulling myself into the city, I don't buy Panasik, I seem to want it, but I don't really need it, my son doesn't eat bread at all. But if I decide, I will look for a panasik simpler (without dispensers) and cheaper.

And what to do? Compared raznmtsu-2501 makes rye and wholemeal flour and cake. We love black. Will it be very uncomfortable for me at 2510? There the model number is not 2511, but in stock 2510 (ordered) and 2501 (there is one that is more expensive)



I don't bake at night yet
In 2510 I CAN GENERALLY bake a cake, rye and m / grain? Like they wrote that I could ....?



Something I got confused. if 2510 can black oven and grain, I will leave the order as it is, if not, I will have to re-order for 2501

At night I don’t bake at 2510 IN GENERAL CAN I bake rye and grain?

You can only manually switch programs.
And for me the machine is important, now I will soon live in the country, and even. if you put it on during the day, you don't sit by the stove, the main thing is to remove it at the end of the program.
And 2511 differs from 2501 in the presence of low-drainage, there the rise is longer. But why 2511 is cheaper than 2501 I don’t understand.

[Mihaill]

Mihaill, costs 2510 cheaper, which I already ordered. 2511 - there is no such model, there is 2501 - more expensive by 2800r

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, please see the comparison table of Panasonic bread makers. Based on this, you can make a decision.

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4) # 1440

Marin, honestly, they're all good. You will find a common language with any of them.

It turns out that in 2510 I will be able to have a low rainfall and I will not be able to rye, and vice versa, it is better to let it remain, probably it is, it seems, they also bake rye, even with dancing, but ... although it seems necessary. .. I have to run, I'll look in the evening



The question remains - how much better is a low-yeast program - more than a rye program

I can't rye

Sorry. Panasonic has a very successful comb-blade. It is specifically for rye-wheat dough. Now it is clear why 2501 is more expensive ...

Anyway, does anyone know why the 2501 is more expensive than the 2511. Usually the new model is more expensive than the previous one.

Or can I? Rye, but with tambourines and how hard are tambourines? Then which is more versatile 2510 or 2501?



It seems like they said that everywhere I can rye ...



I'm at work until evening, don't look yet. ...

[automatic]

For me, what's the point in automatic bread maker if baked in manual mode.

[automatic]

Anyway, does anyone know why the 2501 is more expensive than the 2511. Usually the new model is more expensive than the previous one.

In my opinion, there is not 2511, but 2510.

For me, what's the point in automatic bread maker if baked in manual mode.

Someone likes it. Someone wants the bread to be tastier. Someone likes to control the process.

The 2501 has a rye mode, and the 2510 has a low-yeast mode. In my, very subjective opinion, the rye mode can be replaced with a gluten-free one, and you can find a recipe for automatic baking. Rye, unfortunately, is a very hand-made bread and the process of its preparation is very dependent on flour, moisture, etc. therefore, as a rule, each of us deduced a recipe for himself, slightly adjusting some of the "standard" ones.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Buttercup, so the scapula will not be rye! And she is needed ...

In my opinion, there is not 2511, but 2510.

No, I wanted to know for myself why 2511 is cheaper than 2501.

[Michael]

MichaelYou are mistaken, in Marina's post it is written:

cheaper is 2510, which I already ordered. 2511 - there is no such model, there is 2501 - more expensive by 2800r

That is, 2511 is not on sale, so how much it costs is not known, and 2501 costs 2800r more than 2510
Well, you can buy a spatula, although the girls have already bought them for Ali, but they did not fit, but I bought them and the spatulas came ... a lottery, however. But also a low-yeast regime among the people is very popular.

I repeat, I wanted to know for myself, since I bought 2511 the day before yesterday.

As soon as she came, she sat down to read again. I'm probably tired of everyone, bear with me a little
I did not quite correctly say - I want to have not rye bread, but rather Borodinsky or something similar. Do I understand correctly that in model 2501 it will be an automatic machine, both Borodinsky and Darnitsky? And the same as in the store (approximately in appearance and taste, well, not worse) And in 2510 will you need to help the bread maker? And distance and baking in cartoons or oven? It turns out in 2510 I WILL NOT DO IT AT ALL?
this turns out to be the main question.
It is more difficult to make Borodinsky, maybe that's why it is necessary to change the order to 2501, perhaps it is easier to make a yeast-free one? I'm not very into bread ...
I went to read again. ..,

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, in 2510 there is no special paddle for kneading rye bread. Do you understand? And it is needed for bread like Borodinsky.

If you want a real Borodinsky in accordance with GOST, then you have to tinker a little. The machine is unlikely

But a spatula is needed. You will need to buy it later.

[kartinka]

kartinka, you all understood correctly - in 2501 you can make both Borodinsky and Darnitsky's type automatically! And in 2510 you can also do it, but manually (first, knead, then turn it off until it fits, then turn on the baking) And I'm too lazy to rearrange the spatula, I knead all the rye bread with an ordinary spatula.

Sveta said everything correctly. You need a rye scapula, here are the links, it costs more than 1tyr, I bought for 700r

In the reviews they write that it seems to be suitable for 2510.

[Svetlenki]

So ...... a letter came to me with a proposal to go to mvideo tomorrow, supposedly there was a stove 2511 for almost 12400.
I went to see what kind of 2511 is ...
What to do. ..
Svetlenki, I can probably buy a shovel. Probably they gle that is ... I worry more that the result would be with Borodinsky, otherwise my husband will kill me. ... For 12 thousand

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, the topic of Panasiks is very strong. And there are women of the forum who bake mostly rye bread on a regular basis. Only today the cuts were in the subject. Well, what are you worried about?

If you persistently refine the recipe for yourself based on your flour, everything will work out. You will definitely succeed!

So ...... a letter came to me with a proposal to go to mvideo tomorrow, supposedly there was a stove 2511 for almost 12400.
I went to see what kind of 2511 is ...
What to do. ..

For 2510 and 2511 one and the same instruction, differences in dispenser and rye mode.
If 2510-12804r, and 2511-12400, then of course 2511.

[Svetlenki]

Svetlenki, Svetlanochka, something overshadowed me.
Looked 2511 it is in it gluten-free, low-born, rye, cake and wheat. Is it the most optimal stove?

[Marina]

Marina, I have 2511, there is both rye and low-yeast and two scoops ...
I gave links to the blades above. They are not cheap, and they may not even fit, I don’t remember which of our Panasonic employees didn’t look quite authentic. For the price with the purchase of blades, there is generally only 1000r difference. So think.
Borodinsky's recipes

Here's for the pansik SD-253:

Borodino bread I (bread maker) (Nira)

here is for moulinex, but I think I can also do pansyka:

Borodino bread "The same" in a bread maker (v_v_su)

And this one is in manual mode, on several programs:

Borodino bread for the lazy (bread maker) (Gasha)

Borodino bread for the lazy (bread maker) (Gasha)

But Marina, don't be in a hurry with rye, otherwise you can discourage any desire to bake bread if it doesn't work out right away, but with rye this can very well be.

[kartinka]

kartinka, Marina, the main thing, in my opinion, is the rye regime. This is critical for you, because you are targeting rye breads.

Girls who have 2511, what do you say? I have 2501 and I am completely happy as an elephant.



Mandraik Ludmila, Buttercup, well, you and Rita and Sveta will hold the hand, help with the rye topic. You are already aces on rye in Panasonic, I'm not afraid of this word!

who has 2511, what do you say?

I have 2511, I constantly bake rye bread in automatic mode. Everything is fine!

Marina, I started baking rye before buying my three HP, and I chose each one with the rye bread mode and none, including Panasik, I was not arranged for baking real rye on the machine.But again, I approached buying Panasik with already good experience baking bread, and now it is not difficult for me with any choice of programs, to bake almost any bread.
And if you have no experience in baking bread, then it is better to buy Panasik with the maximum set of programs. It will be easier for you, but more expensive
Now I would have bought the simplest and cheapest Panasik, during the operation of Panasik, I learned to bake the same bread on different programs in Panasik and get a similar result. But this is experience and time.
And you need a proven result right away, so it might be better to pay for all programs at once, including rye.
It's strange, I bought my 2511 a little less than 12tyr in m-video 2 years ago, why is it not getting cheaper then?

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Lord, girls! I wanted hp for 3 thousand. .. I thought, well, a couple thousand more, but now my brain exploded, I read, and instead of people, it turns out ... about flour, I don’t know anything, about the rest of the ingredients, too ... how I generally lived ...
So what resume is 2511 for everything? Wheat, muffin, low-yeast, gluten-free, rye?
And I also read in the topics -French, Italian are these modes? Mom dear, I want bread from the store in my head such a mess. ... I just can't put everything together
There is also such a whole grain bread. ...

why is it not getting cheaper then?

I understood that this is some kind of remnant, because when I was in the store myself, they told me they weren't there, but it is not known when they will be at a different price and they announced the price of 2510, so I rushed to search online stores. And now this offer is 2511, of course I’ll go tomorrow, but I don’t even know, because when I was watching and there was nothing




Mandraik Ludmila, I'm not in a hurry, I still need to reread so much. .. so much new stuff. ..

[Marina]

Marina, it's always better not to rush, to understand what you need. What kind of bread do you usually eat in your family? And then you start to bake everything, but it's all delicious and all your diets will go to hell ...

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, probably I will hold on for now ... in fact, where did it all start - I bought bread - I wanted to - no strength, I once a week allow myself fffsё. And what - I could not eat - either chemistry, or some kind of rubbish ... I bought a second bread, the same thing, after 2 months without salt-sugar and a steamed diet .... now I feel the slightest amount. ..but bread - I didn't expect such disgust. It is not clear from what. ..



I'm sitting on the old shovel. .. while everyone is sleeping. ..



It seems to have clarified for myself. The differences between 2501 and 2510 are rye and, accordingly, 2 scoops, the power is 50 more, but there is no low-yeast machine. But I don't watch them anymore.
Choice between 2510 and 2511. I argue like this:
Jam in both is not recommended - something with an oil seal. I won't do it.
Pelmeni - pizza - all the same, other programs - all the same
, only in 2511 added rye on the machine-convenient. We need black bread, all the more soon we are waiting for our granddaughter.
+2511 - 2 scoops, rye on the machine, the power is 50 more (maybe because of the rye), but I don't like the dispenser anymore ...
+2510 - there is no dispenser - there is nothing to rattle and break (many are unhappy with it), Darnitskiy is baked on the main program, I saw a photo-suit. There is no rye, but they bake wheat-rye on the machine.
BUT in general, users recommend NOT to exceed the amount of rye flour. And I don't have the opportunity to look at the recipes from book 2510, so the question is
If 2511 bakes REALLY Borodino bread on an automatic machine, like a store-bought, black one, probably I'm over 2511, let me bake it myself.
If Borodinsky turns out to be GRAY on the machine, then I'll take 2510. Although you need to buy a spatula for Rye.
Will the Borodinskoye 2510 dough knead? Judging by the dances, yes, (on dumplings or something else, I forgot, but I remember that it seems that you can, but I will bake in the oven.
The main question is whether it turns out really normal (like a store, and if it differs, then how) Borodinsky in 2511 on the machine. Or so, what kind of bread is obtained in 2511 on the machine?
It seems like I thought about everything. ..
The difference, taking into account the purchase of an expensive rye shoulder blade (perhaps not suitable with Ali), is already approaching 1 thousand. Not very important. if everything is fine with Borodinsky and it is automatically as black as it should be, the question arises about the dispenser - how infuriates it (if nothing is put into it) with its presence in 2511. Many people are unhappy with it.



But what is it ... I can't sleep, that's how it got hooked. .. that's all, I chose - outweighed 2 scapula and rye auto mode - 2511.