korf
KLEOPATRA so what does the process of soaking in boiling water give? compared with unsoaked?
KLEOPATRA
Quote: korf

KLEOPATRA so what does the process of soaking in boiling water give? compared to unsoaked?
korf, soaking in hot water softens both candied fruits and raisins. I just tried to scald it with boiling water - I didn't like the candied fruits in the baked goods crunched.
ramaha
it seems as if there is no basic necessity - everyone postponed the acquisition of HP until later.
then he began to compare, then - to read - the more I read, the more the desire to buy this device increased
aimed at 257, but it turned out that in the city they are not in any store, and here in metro 256 for 5990 rubles. 01 kopecks.
here is the first one:
yeah ... and where is the button to insert the file? I wanted to upload a photo
KLEOPATRA
Quote: ramaha

it seems as if there is no basic necessity - everyone postponed the acquisition of HP until later.
then he began to compare, then - to read - the more I read, the more the desire to buy this device increased
aimed at 257, but it turned out that in the city they are not in any store, and here in metro 256 for 5990 rubles. 01 kopecks.
here is the first one:
yeah ... and where is the button to insert the file? I wanted to upload a photo
Here is a link about "how to insert a photo"
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=30280.0
Manna
Yesterday I baked rye bread from 100% peeled rye flour (400g flour), as I like. Delicious !!!Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
Alxndr
Quote: manna

Yesterday I baked rye bread made from 100% peeled rye flour (400g flour),
Maybe lay out the complete recipe, with all the ingredients?
What was it like for the stove to knead, not hard?
Davli
brothers, look at my question in the next topic "... share our impressions" and then betrayal torments terribly!
Manna
Quote: Alxndr

Maybe lay out the complete recipe, with all the ingredients?
What was it like for the stove to knead, not hard?
Of course, such dough is harder to knead, so I add a little more liquid than in the wheat-rye dough recipe:
yeast - 1.5 tsp.
peeled rye flour - 400 g.
coriander - 1 tsp (it is possible without him, this time I did without him)
sugar - 1 tbsp. l.
salt - 1.5 tsp.
I dilute salt and sugar in 50 ml. water
vegetable oil - 1 tbsp. l. (you can do without it, I don't always add it)
kvass with malt - 350 ml.
Aleph
Quote: manna
And in what mode?

I myself have now set up "Darnitskiy" bread to be baked. Later all the details
Manna
Quote: Aleph

And in what mode?
Diet program, loaf size M.Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
Aleph
How strange it turned out with Darnitsky ... I made it according to this recipe

At the request of the members of the forum, I give a recipe for rye "Darnitskiy" bread. By the way, malt is not needed

Darnitsky bread
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Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)

1.5 tsp. dry yeast (I use ordinary but dried, not French which are in bags)
150 g rye flour
250 g wheat flour

1.5 tsp. fine salt
1 tbsp. l. buckwheat honey (can be replaced with sugar)
2 tbsp. l. olive oil
300 ml of room water pace.
mix honey and butter with water, and sift the flour
put in a bucket according to the instructions (liquids first or vice versa)
oven in the first mode (main), it is possible in the mode? rye?
Everything is so beautiful and wonderful in the pictures, but I got a WHITE bread ...
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KMK - rye and wheat flours are mixed in places, in terms of quantity .. What do you think, colleagues?
Rina
according to this recipe darnytskyi you get light gray bread.

By the way, Aleph, edit the links - on our forum it is not customary to give active links to external resources.
Take a look Darnitsky from fugasca - there is the same ratio of rye: wheat 1: 2-2.5.
Rina
Aleph, if it is so white ... And you, by chance, did not mix up the flour?
Aleph
Quote: Rina

Aleph, if it is so white ... And you, by chance, did not mix up the flour?
Well, if I confused it, it would be darker on the contrary. But alas .. I'll have to try to make a ratio of 100 wheat and 300 rye ..

it's time to get a heavy machine gun from the safe
ESmith
Quote: manna

vegetable oil - 1 tbsp. l. (you can do without it, I don't always add it)

It seemed to me that it is easier to mix with HP oil

Aleph
And I always put dry kvass in such bread. I did it at a ratio of 100 g hw. flour + 400g psh. flour. The bread is much darker.
Rina
Quote: Aleph

Well, if I confused it, it would be darker on the contrary. But alas .. I'll have to try to make a ratio of 100 wheat and 300 rye ..
but they could have taken 300 wheat and 100 ... wheat

can you get malt or dry kvass? Then you will definitely get dark bread ...
Alxndr
Quote: manna

Diet program, loaf size M
Tell me, is on our stove, Obshinka (which after the main batch) is present on all programs?
ramaha
Quote: KLEOPATRA

Here is a link about "how to insert a photo"
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here it is, the firstborn, white according to the simplest recipe
ramaha
and here is the French arrived in time
Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
I did not dare to put on the timer, because instead of dry milk they added simple milk, my wife sazala that it could turn sour (isn’t the new milk sour).
I had to get up at half past three in the morning and take out the bread. but the boys in the morning before school ate fresh food.
ramaha
sorry for offtopic - a shovel for rye must be bought and where?
Vanya28
It is not necessary to buy a shovel for rye.
You still have to help mixing.
With heavy kneading, this blade grips the dough better, but the load on the engine increases, up to its stop.
Manna
Quote: ESmith

It seemed to me that it is easier to mix with HP oil
Yes, yes, I also talked about this a little earlier. I specially tried it with and without oil for the sake of experiment. Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)

Quote: Alxndr

Tell me, is on our stove, Obshinka (which after the main batch) is present on all programs?
I can't say for sure. Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) I have not used all the programs. But there is a temka about this - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=104691.0

Quote: ramaha

sorry for offtopic - a shovel for rye must be bought and where?
I, like many others, cook rye bread with an ordinary spatula. But it's hard for the oven to knead 100% rye bread. And since I love just this kind of bread, I'm already thinking about buying a scoop for rye dough. You can buy it online, in the appropriate stores or in the service. By the way, there was such a temka - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=911.0
And your bread turned out to be very beautiful
Alxndr
manna
Thanks for the link!

Quickly you edited your message ... But I will still answer: Now I will go for a shovel for rye and, if I buy it, I will write off my impressions tomorrow.

I called, they said - out of stock, maybe it will be in a couple of weeks ...
Aleph
Quote: manna

Share your impressions later I will wait
The process has begun. By 15.00 (Moscow time) should be ready
ramaha
Quote: manna

And your bread turned out to be very beautiful
Thank you. did not become wise. ordinary flour Makfa, saf yeast.
Nnehochuh
Hello!
After preparing 3 loaves of bread, an incomprehensible creak appeared when kneading the dough. When the first loaves were prepared, there was no creep.
Did anyone have this or do you need to tune in to the SC?
Alxndr
Quote: Nnehochuh

Hello!
After preparing 3 loaves of bread, an incomprehensible creak appeared when kneading the dough. When the first loaves were prepared, there was no creep.
Did anyone have this or do you need to tune in to the SC?
On my second bread (wheat-rye) appeared ... you are not the first and not the last, if we are talking about that creak
Nnehochuh
Alxndr, squeak is fraught with something? Can you somehow cure it? Why does it appear?
Alxndr
Quote: Nnehochuh

Alxndr, squeak is fraught with something? Can you somehow cure it? Why does it appear?
I have no idea. At first I also tensed, but then read the forum. I realized that I was not alone and now, I try not to pay attention, although, of course, not very pleasant.
Ded
I have such a problem.
I bought a bread maker a week ago.I immediately tried to bake this recipe. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=89776.0
The first pancake didn't come out lumpy, everything was normal, like the next 3 times. But then the incomprehensible began.
The dough is not kneaded into a bun, it remains liquid even after the 20th minute. The stirrer is working. The flour is the same, only from a different package, the yeast is the same Saf-Moment, as a result, this garbage is obtained.

Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)

I bake on fast mode.

Rina
Ded,
Quote: Telma

If you are having problems baking bread in a bread maker, see the section
Helpful hints and help in baking bread.
Study, please
UNDERSTANDING BREAD IN HOMEMADE BREAD, paying particular attention To the kolobok rule

If you have any questions or problems, welcome to this thread !!!

Remember that ALL RECIPES for making bread in a bread machine are suitable for ALL MODELS of bread machines. There is a section for beginners "The simplest white bread"

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Also, don't start out with the Quick Program. The main program, bread from wheat flour, premium or 1st grade.
Ded
Yes, I studied everything.
The first 4 times everything was consistently good. Again, neither the quantity nor the manufacturer of the ingredients has changed. Rapid mode all the time. Why did the problems go only 5 times?

PS Found a way out. Increased the amount of flour by a quarter.
But again, why was everything good before?
lega
Quote: Ded

The flour is the same, only from a different package, the yeast is the same Saf-Moment, as a result, this garbage is obtained.

The flour is the same only in the name of the company and the inscription on the package. What's inside the package, the manufacturer should be responsible for this, but we are not state control. Therefore, it is not a fact that the quality in the new packaging will be the same as in the previous one. Or did you buy both packs at the same time?
Alxndr
Quote: Ded

PS Found a way out. Increased the amount of flour by a quarter.
But again, why was everything good before?

If this is the way out, maybe you should ask: What happened to the flour?
Ded
No, flour from different batches. But can properties really differ so strikingly?
And how, then, can you guess the amount of flour?
lega
Quote: Ded

No, flour from different batches. But can properties really differ so strikingly?
And how, then, can you guess the amount of flour?

Properties may differ precisely "strikingly". How to guess? I won't say exactly. I usually buy flour in large packages (in Lenta there are six 2kg packages). Whenever I bake from a new package for the first time, I look at the bun and make adjustments - I start adding panifarin, then I slightly change the amount of water.
In my opinion, the bread in your photo is very lacking in gluten in flour. And further. All the same, it is better to refuse quick baking. Your loaf clearly has yeast (if it's good) hasn't had time to clear up. You can even make decent bread from not very high-quality flour, but you need to watch out and give extra proofing time.
Aleph
Quote: manna

Waiting Very interesting
immediately a question - was the bun during the kneading?
Manna
Quote: Aleph

immediately question - was the bun during the kneading?
When how ... The dough is sticky ... If I really do not like the shape of the bun, I correct it with wet handles Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
Aleph
Quote: manna

When how ... The dough is sticky ... If I really don't like the shape of the kolobok, I correct it with wet handles Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
Pancake. I didn't have a kolobok. Is there really a lot of liquid? After all, it turns out 400 ml. (50 water with sugar and salt and 350 kvass) Although before baking I looked into the HP .. It seems to have risen, but ..... I'm waiting for a shorter result ...
Manna
Quote: Aleph

Pancake. I didn't have a kolobok. Is there really a lot of liquid? After all, it turns out 400 ml. (50 water with sugar and salt and 350 kvass) Although before baking I looked into the HP .. It seems to have risen, but ..... I'm waiting for a shorter result ...
Don't panic! We are waiting for the result Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) And a flat bun like wheat dough with dough only from rye flour without the help of pens does not work Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) But even in this case, a loaf is formed during proofing, do not worry Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)

And the liquid can be less, but the stove is heavy, and the loaf is rather dry. Although ... as you like Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
Aleph
Result 🔗

I don't cut it yet. I'll wait for cooling.
Manna
Quote: Aleph

Result 🔗

I don't cut it yet. I'll wait for cooling.
OhBread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) Yes, your dough turned out to be liquid ...Looks like my flour is drier Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
The conclusion from your experience and the discussion preceding here is unambiguous: no matter how much liquid there is in the proven recipes of other bakers, add liquid in parts and follow the bun

Somehow I'm sad Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) Because of my recipe you are failing Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
Aleph
Yes. An autopsy showed an overkill with liquid

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Well, nothing. The first (rye) pancake is lumpy, but the taste, even in this performance, is awesome ..
Next time I will pour 200 kvass and leave 150 for topping up, and as the batch progresses I will see how much remains, thereby determining for yourself !!! rye recipe!
Manna
Quote: Aleph

Yes. An autopsy showed an overkill with liquid

Well, nothing. The first (rye) pancake is lumpy, but the taste, even in this performance, is awesome ..
Next time I will pour 200 kvass and leave 150 for topping up, and as the batch progresses I will see how much remains, thereby determining for yourself !!! rye recipe!
I am glad that at least you liked the taste of bread
I was really upset Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1) Although, negative experience is also an experience, and I have a lesson with the amount of liquid in other recipes. Thank you
And yet ... still, I really look forward to your further experiments with this bread
Ded
Quote: Ded


PS Found a way out. Increased the amount of flour by a quarter.

It turned out not to be found ...
Here is the result.
Bread maker in Panasonic SD-256 (part1)
The bread did not rise.
Yeast maybe?
Rina
Ded, a lot of flour. Try a normal recipe on a standard basic four hour program. In general, bread-making technology is already an accelerated production of bread. And bread on "fast" programs does not go through the necessary biochemical processes to an even greater extent. In addition, such bread can be elementarily harmful.
Aleph
I'm shocked. There is nothing left of the rye. Mine devoured him even in the state he was
Tomorrow I will torture a repeat, but with the control of a kolobok ...
Manna
Quote: Aleph

I'm shocked. There is nothing left of the rye. Mine devoured him even in the state he was
Tomorrow I will torture a repeat, but with the control of a kolobok ...
I am very glad that you liked the rye bread, even in this state. I hope that tomorrow you will have an excellent bun and bread
Aleph
Quote: manna

I am very glad that you liked the rye bread, even in this state. I hope that tomorrow you will have an excellent bun and bread

We continue to experiment. At the moment, 300 ml of liquid (50 water with salt and sugar and 250 kvass) I don't think it's worth it anymore. HP interferes without stress

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