Rituslya
Quote: Alex315
and ten rises with tongs
exactly. I have not seen an automatic rise yet.
shashina
With pliers, no automatic lift
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
I have not just Masterchef, but light.

Maybe I missed something, but if I'm not mistaken in 230, the full-fledged masterchef program is indicated on the official website in the description of the model, and in 4520 the masterchef light, I even looked again) do you have a 4520 model?
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
No. Nothing, of course, creaks. The upper part of the heating element is connected to the lower one by thin wires (I put my nose so deeply). As long as they are in health, then all the work is working.

Let's hope that the mechanism is really reliable and it will last for a long time, especially for active use)) I think that you are not the first who looked so deeply)) I wonder how it works)
Rituslya
Quote: Julia_Oleynik
do you have a 4520 model?
yes, I have a model 4520
Manna
Virgo, I see, we are discussing both models here. Maybe then we will add 4520 to the name? They are not very different, as I understood ... What do you think?
Julia_Oleynik
why did you choose the 4520 model? like 230 will be better both in terms of characteristics and the number of programs, and a full-fledged master chef in it
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Manna
Virgo, I see, we are discussing both models here. Maybe then we will add 4520 to the name? They are not very different, as I understand it ... What do you think?

Personally, my opinion is that this is most likely what should be done, otherwise I already thought that the description of the 230 model does not quite correspond to the crushed one, but it turns out that I simply omitted that the girl had a model 4520. And soon 91 will also appear, so as not to create on each separate topic you can combine everything in one, so it will even be easier to compare
Rituslya
Julia, just 230 was not on sale in Moscow at that time, but my frying pan was out of order. , because I, one might say, simply did not have the strength to wait.
Julia_Oleynik
Well, then it’s clear, but it just became interesting, I looked through the descriptions for all three multicooker, so the 4520 turned out to be the simplest, 230 functions a little better, so I wondered if there might be some flaws in the 230 model.
Alex315
Quote: Julia_Oleynik
And soon 91 will appear,

I saw the 91st, it's still in pre-order. but outwardly it is just like the 90th, I think the users of the 90th will like the updated version.
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Alex315
I saw the 91st, it's still in pre-order. but outwardly it is just like the 90th, I think the users of the 90th will like the updated version.

I also saw that a hundred of this model is in pre-order, if I'm not mistaken, then a few more days are left, like until 20, and there it will appear in stores. In general, 91 as I understand it, this is an updated 90, and there the difference is only in price and the presence of a frying pan.
Fimia
I also saw these models on the site at 4520 even a master chef, wow. In general, the frying pan in the kit is interesting, so there will be even more opportunities for cooking in the cartoon, you can even cook pancakes.
shashina
230 has a master chef and 4520 has a master chef
Rituslya
I, devuli, was very pleased with my 4520. Today I cooked potatoes in it for the road. I turned on the "Multipovar" at full capacity and ... forgot. If it were on the hob, then my potatoes would have flooded everything completely. And then gurgles a little under the closed lid.
In general, tomorrow evening I'll give it back, I guess. Or maybe not. Zhaaalko already very much. Good.
Tomorrow they will bring me 230 models. I waited.
I will definitely show you two side by side when they bring you.
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
I, devouli, was very pleased with my 4520.Today I cooked potatoes in it for the road. I turned on the "Multipovar" at full capacity and ... forgot. If it were on the hob, then my potatoes would have flooded everything completely. And then gurgles a little under the closed lid.
In general, tomorrow evening I'll give it back, I guess. Or maybe not. Zhaaalko already very much. Good.
Tomorrow they will bring me 230 models. I waited.
I will definitely show you two side by side when they bring you.

but for a long time they forgot about it, although there time has run out and the whole program should turn off, but on the stove it would be sadder, checked)) even my husband jokes about this "potatoes start to fry as soon as they stop cooking"))
why do you give it if you are satisfied? Are you just testing new models?
Rituslya
Quote: Julia_Oleynik
why do you give it if you are satisfied?
I give it away, because I had an agreement with my friend, as soon as the new 230 appears in Moscow, I will give her 4520, and here's 230 for myself. We are not testing professionals. No. Lover and all sorts of novelties are simple.
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
I give it away, because I had an agreement with my friend, as soon as the new 230 appears in Moscow, I will give her 4520, and here's 230 for myself. We are not testing professionals. No. Lover and all sorts of novelties are simple.

cool) generally came up with great, only you need more girlfriends to try all the new items)) and the last of the m91 masterfries also wake up to test?)
Rituslya
Quote: Julia_Oleynik
And will you also test the last of the M91 masterfrays?)
no, I will not. Enough for now. So there are already so many interesting things that there is nowhere to put. In the literal sense that one of the cartoons is on the stool.
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
So already there are so many interesting things that there is nowhere to put.

Well, it's good that there is a lot of everything, so it is much more interesting in the kitchen, especially since a lot of things can be cooked without my mediocre participation) how I want there to be no place in the kitchen, but so far, even for a multicooker, I still can't get it (
NаStyа
Quote: Fimia
I also saw these models on the site at 4520 even a master chef, wow. In general, the frying pan in the kit is interesting, so there will be even more opportunities for cooking in the cartoon, you can even cook pancakes.
It seems to me that now everything can be cooked) otherwise I even tried to bake pies in my multicooker)) it does not fit much, minus. I already wrote on another topic, my friend took it with the master fray, 230th in my opinion. She likes it, she chose it specifically at the average price, she says - it was more expensive and cheaper with the MF. I only saw her in pictures. I do not know how to upload a photo? does not work. I looked at some more photos laid out here - I like the idea with a frying pan, especially if a full-fledged master chef has all the bells and whistles.
Donut123
A friend bought one for a retired mother. He spends the whole summer at the dacha, there is not even a normal stove there and gas must be brought often. She used to fry everything in the airfryer, which is Redmond, without a bowl. She liked that it took up little space. And now from 4520, you don't have to buy gas at all, there is where to fry and where to cook.
Lisa alisa86
read about these models, good. The price of a multicooker + a frying pan is adequate.
JulJul
Girls - owners, good afternoon!
Can you please tell me, but by chance bowls from 150 are not suitable for 230 models? Maybe someone has both?
Rituslya
Yulia,I had a Red 150 with a voice guide. It was as if a bowl came up from him. I just fried donuts in it yesterday. A bowl with handles from Polaris 0527 was also very successful. To be honest, I haven't tried cooking in it yet.
JulJul
Rita, thank you very much for your answer! Do you have additional bowls (steel and ceramics) for 150? If there is, could you try them on too
Rituslya
Julia,both ceramic with Greek patterns. It's a pity now, probably, I won't remember their number. One family walked, and the other was similar, but bought as an additional one.
I will measure, of course. Just now: the height and width of the bowl?

I'll write more about 4520. I gave it back, but I have some information. A friend here complained. Extinguishing mode. In 10 minutes, almost all the gravy was boiled away. The temperature is 100 degrees.I reduced the multi-chef to 93 degrees, the boil continued for a while, and then the multicooker turned off completely by itself. That it is not very clear.
JulJul
Quote: Rituslya
Just now: the height and width of the bowl?
Rita, I meant if they fit 230 ...
Rituslya
Quote: JulJul
I meant if they fit 230 ...
Ahh, I'm a bastard.
Yes, yes, they fit me. Both identical bowls from the latest model 150 Reda fit 230
Just now I went and tried to shove and close the lid again. It's okay.
I won't write anything about the cooking process in these bowls, I don't want to deceive, but otherwise everything is fine.
JulJul
Rita, thanks again!
I just have 150, and now I'm thinking about buying 230. It's a very interesting model, and even with a frying pan.
It's great that the bowls fit, hopefully the cooking in them goes well too.
Rituslya
Julia,230 model is good. I like. It will be necessary to try the recipe for "Stewing" so that there is no such thing as in 4520.
And so, like cooking porridge, jellied meat, fried donuts, languishing milk, well, the "Frying" mode is mandatory. So far, everything seems to be going well.
JulJul
Rita, please try "Quenching". To be sure that you need to take it!
Rituslya
Julia,I will definitely try everything. For example, today I'm trying the "Soup" mode. She took, however, someone else's cup. I'm waiting. I got tired of waiting, so I decided to see what the temperature was. Mlyn, 99 degrees. How long will my soup boil? By the way, I will say that in the 4520 model, the countdown began with the program entering the mode, but here the countdown is straight away.
JulJul
Ritamaybe this is due to the bowl?
Donut123
Quote: Rituslya
I'll write more about 4520. I gave it back, but I have some information. A friend here complained. Extinguishing mode. In 10 minutes, almost all the gravy was boiled away. The temperature is 100 degrees. I reduced the multi-chef to 93 degrees, the boil continued for a while, and then the multicooker turned off completely by itself. That it is not very clear.

It is strange that such a temperature is high during extinguishing. Usually 90 - 93 degrees are maintained. Is there a problem there? And the fact that then the program turned off is normal. Extinguishing only works if there is liquid in the bowl. And if it has evaporated, then it will not be stewed. This prevents our products from burning.
tetutsiol
Recently I saw such a cartoon at my friend's - a cool thing. I really liked the fact that it is possible to use the programs for frying - that is, now it is possible to move away from the pan, and not stand and look at it.
Rituslya
Quote: tetutsiol
that is, now it is possible to move away from the frying pan,
if you go away, everything will burn out just like in the bowl.
Moreover, she fries very thoroughly.
I don't even turn on the "Fry" mode. Only by Multi-Cook.
Larssevsk
Quote: tetutsiol

I recently saw

Igor, have you seen, seen or seen?
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: NаStyа
I already wrote on another topic, my friend took it with the master Frai, 230th in my opinion. She likes it, she chose it specially at the average price, she says - it was more expensive and cheaper with the MF.

Here I also liked 230 most of all, especially since from the entire series it turns out to be average in price and characteristics. Is your friend generally happy with the purchase? NO complaints about this model?
Rituslya
I tried the "Soup" and "Vexation" programs today. Didn't like it at all
If I cook and simmer in this way, then everything will boil away at once. It spills sooo hard.JulJul, yes, Yul, I didn't want to boil the broth, apparently because of someone else's bowl. But in my own family, it boiled, it almost boiled away.
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
I'll write more about 4520. I gave it back, but I have some information. A friend here complained. Extinguishing mode. In 10 minutes, almost all the gravy was boiled away. The temperature is 100 degrees. I reduced the multi-chef to 93 degrees, the boil continued for a while, and then the multicooker turned off completely by itself. That it is not very clear.

Are these multicooker or the program shut down? It seems to me that for the extinguishing mode with a temperature, it is too much, vryatli at 100 degrees can be extinguished normally ...Still, I wonder why it turned off, maybe some defect with the program itself or a crash. Has she tried this program again?
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
230 model is good. I like. It will be necessary to try the recipe for "Stewing" so that there is no such thing as in 4520.
And so, like cooking porridge, jellied meat, fried donuts, languishing milk, well, the "Frying" mode is mandatory. So far, everything seems to be going well.

I somehow doubt that there will be a similar problem in the entire series (well, if this is a problem, and not an ordinary failure or something else, you never know), especially since each next model came out with some break, and you are not in 4250 extinguishing mode experienced?
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
if you go away, everything will burn out just like in the bowl.
Moreover, she fries very thoroughly.
I don't even turn on the "Fry" mode. Only by Multi-Cook.

And that 230 fries as hard as 4250? The manufacturers decided to focus on frying in the entire series))) like you want to fry a frying pan and a program that really Fries and not only on the frying program
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
I tried the "Soup" and "Vexation" programs today. Didn't like it at all
If I cook and simmer in this way, then everything will boil away at once. It spills sooo much. Jul Jul, yes, Jul, I didn't want to boil the broth with me, you see, because of someone else's bowl. But in my own family, it boiled, it almost boiled away.

Something they really tricky with the temperature, is it at 230 so the programs work madly? Did the 4250 also have the same temperature problem on different programs? With such programs you can't cook a lot, unless you use a multi-chef or a master chef.
Rituslya
Quote: Julia_Oleynik
Did the 4250 also have the same temperature problem on different programs?
no. Here I compare the "Soup" program for 4520 and 230 They are different.
At 4520 the countdown started from the moment of boiling. Moreover, the moment of boiling was, as I remember, very short-lived.
At 230, the countdown starts right away. After 17 minutes my soup boiled (I was given a beep about this), and this terrible boil lasted, probably, 15 minutes. Then I just turned down the temperature. She did not wait.
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Rituslya
At 230, the countdown starts right away. After 17 minutes my soup boiled (I was given a beep about this), and this terrible boil lasted, probably, 15 minutes. Then I just turned down the temperature. She did not wait.

It seemed to me, on the contrary, there should be more than some shortcomings in 4250, but here it is somehow illogical ... You would have waited and instead of soup there would have been porridge)))) but for the rest of the programs there are some differences in the 230 and 4250 models?

Lisa alisa86
I read about the 230 and 4520 models, the 4520 has a power of 700 watts, and the 230 has -860 watts, and the 4520 fries a lot? maybe I misunderstood something, then I'm sorry
Lisa alisa86
And their bowls are the same, if there is an opportunity to compare, maybe the 230 has a thicker bowl, which is why it does not fry so much?
Julia_Oleynik
Quote: Lisa Alisa86
in 4520 it fries hard?

If I understood correctly, from what I told Rituslya, then in 230 models in the programs there is something wrong with temperatures, they really actively "fry". Even on the "Soup" and "Vexation" programs, the temperature goes off scale, which should not be. And in the 4520 model there were no such problems
Lisa alisa86
Oh that means I misunderstood!

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