Zhivchik
Quote: Luysia

But I don't take a drill and a jigsaw in my hands!

Here, here ... if I still work with a drill and screw in self-tapping screws, then what will the man do in the house? And so he is at least sometimes entertainment.
Irina Dolars
Quote: Luysia

... to follow the process, and then praise and say three hundred times that I couldn't do it myself.
Gold words!
Only some of them resist like rams
Now I am training my son, but he is a sly one: he understands that he can put everything on me.
And I don't want to blush for him later ...
Ipatiya
Quote: Luysia

But I don’t take a drill and a jigsaw in my hands!

Now we have such convenient power tools, especially cordless ones. Like toys. For example, here's a screwdriver.

Furniture for kitchen

Convenient to collect ikeevsky furniture. There, all the holes are precisely drilled, detailed instructions and pieces of iron in addition (how to twist).
Zhivchik
Quote: Irina Dolars

And I don't want to blush for him later ...

Let dad blush. For example, my mother-in-law has never blushed in her life.

Quote: Ipatiya

Now we have such convenient power tools, especially cordless ones. Like toys. For example, here's a screwdriver.

Yeah ... if only this screwdriver himself knew where to put the screwdriver in, so that later to screw it.
albina1966
Husband gotta make money, that's what you need to bring up in your sons, so that there is enough for both a furniture assembler and a plumber, etc.
And the wife, if she likes to play with a drill as entertainment or do some other "man's" job, - to her health.
makabusha
then it immediately starts .. "and the wife should know her place - at the stove" ..... or "I bring money .. and everything else is none of your business .. where am I .. who am I with .." and etc. ... I think that no one owes anything to anyone ... you just need to bring up in children of both sexes a sense of responsibility, the desire to take responsibility for themselves and others, the ability to respect other people's work, the ability and desire to take care of others .. ... the ability to dispose of any resource .. as if time .. talent ... money ... to be able to organize income ... then everything should work out harmoniously in theory by itself ...
albina1966
Quote: makabusha

then it immediately starts .. "and the wife should know her place - at the stove" ..... or "I bring money .. and everything else is none of your business .. where am I .. who am I with .." and etc. ... I think that no one owes anything to anyone ... you just need to bring up in children of both sexes a sense of responsibility, the desire to take responsibility for themselves and others, the ability to respect other people's work, the ability and desire to take care of others .. ... the ability to manage any resource ... like time ... talent ... money ... to be able to organize income ... then everything should work out harmoniously in theory by itself ...
makabusha, I'm only talking about upbringing sons wrote. The desire to earn money for the family is only one of the components of that very responsibility for your wife and children. Of course, this is only part of education. No one has canceled the cultivation of humanity in them, love for a woman, just to teach, for a start, a son, for example, to let women go ahead, to carry heavy bags, to be merciful, etc. I just wanted to say if a husband is able to earn money for if the experts assemble the furniture for him, then he does not have to do it himself (or his wife). Who studied what.
What about education daughters I can't say anything, I have a son. But, probably, nothing bad if she spends from time to time near the stove, the main thing is that there is something to cook from.
It never happens in a family that no one owes anyone.A normal family is a chain of links that are so intertwined that it is no longer possible to separate and define the links of responsibilities to each other. The main thing is that you are right, there should be harmony, and not continuous tension. Then the responsibilities will be a joy. Something like this. IMHO.
Alenky
Quote: makabusha

then it immediately starts .. "and the wife should know her place - at the stove" ..... or "I bring money .. and everything else is none of your business .. where am I .. who am I with .." and etc. ... I think that no one owes anything to anyone ... you just need to bring up in children of both sexes a sense of responsibility, the desire to take responsibility for themselves and others, the ability to respect other people's work, the ability and desire to take care of others .. ... the ability to manage any resource ... like time ... talent ... money ... to be able to organize income ... then everything should work out harmoniously in theory by itself ...
The most important thing should not !!! and so that there was Love and mutual understanding and mutual respect! Then there will be a Family !!!
Gasha
Alyonushka, excuse me, how old are you?
Luysia
Quote: albina1966

Husband gotta make money, that's what you need to bring up in your sons, so that there is enough for both a furniture assembler and a plumber, etc.

I have met such "moneymakers" with hands from that very place ...

Something happened to the faucet of a neighbor, he began to fill in the neighbors, the neighbor from the bottom blocked the riser in the basement. It was Friday afternoon. The whole entrance without water, the neighbors went to him, and he told them: "What am I, I called the plumber, he will come on MONDAY!"

The men overlaid him with all sorts of bad words, in 15 minutes they repaired everything themselves and turned on the water.
Gasha
Is it possible for him to earn money and be with his hands? It is also desirable with brains ...
albina1966
Quote: Scarlet

The most important thing should not !!! and so that there was Love and mutual understanding and mutual respect! Then there will be a Family !!!
That all this is just a word game. Esessno, Love and Understanding of each other are in the first place. But when a man lies on the couch and tells how he loves and understands his wife. What kind of respect is there? And the poor woman dies at work. Well, how long will such a family last)?
And if the husband knows (well, "he shouldn't", it does not matter) that he is responsible for the financial well-being of his family, even if it is not always possible to earn money, but he wants - then the family will be strong. If the wife is not a fool, and understands that he is trying to earn money, and does not lie like a vegetable in the garden. And there are all kinds of stripes in life, and the main thing is that it is together in sorrow and in joy.
albina1966
Quote: Gasha

Is it possible for him to earn money and be with his hands? It is also desirable with brains ...
This can be seen in the program "Obvious - Incredible".
Ipatiya
Quote: albina1966

the man lies on the divan
lies like a vegetable in the garden

What an accurate metaphor!
albina1966
Quote: Luysia

I have met such "moneymakers" with hands from that very place ...

Something happened to the faucet of a neighbor, he began to fill in the neighbors, the neighbor from the bottom blocked the riser in the basement. It was Friday afternoon. The whole entrance without water, the neighbors went to him, and he told them: "What am I, I called the plumber, he will come on MONDAY!"

The men overlaid him with all sorts of bad words, in 15 minutes they repaired everything themselves and turned on the water.
Todd nadot, Schaub earned for his house or Schaub to pay for repairs to neighbors.
Alenky
Girls! that's not the point right? but why should anyone have a husband, children! No, and then you must! everything happens in a family, but the most important thing is to be able to forgive, and understand each other, and not only! Just over time, you look at life a little differently! That's right, both in sorrow and in joy! It is also hard for the peasants, not only for us alone, maybe the other tries, but it does not always work out! maybe I'm not looking a lot from the other side, maybe I don't work for 3 months, but this is my opinion !!! But probably the Family is the SEVEN-ME! And everyone lives not only for himself !!!
Song
Quote: Luysia

... and then praise three hundred times
It helps a lot! And also when you praise him in the circle of friends and girlfriends! So the peasants like it ... that they are ready to move mountains later. What was actually required ...
albina1966
Quote: Song *

It helps a lot! And also when you praise him in the circle of friends and girlfriends! So the peasants like it ... that they are ready to move mountains later. What was actually required ...
And I have the opposite, my husband falsifies me in the circle of friends, I’m already And I’m ready to move mountains.

In a whisper: let him earn money himself.
Scarlet
Quote: albina1966

And I have the opposite, my husband falsifies me in the circle of friends, I’m already And I’m ready to move mountains.

In a whisper: let him earn money himself.
: flowers: Just about, who is not pleased when he is praised! And I love it! Therefore, they should be praised, they will move mountains for our sake !!!
Song
Girls, it's like in a joke a husband praised his wife. "Drink tea, dear guests - hot, fresh, wife itself cooked! Eat the cake - delicious, delicious, wife itself bought it! "
Scarlet
Quote: Song *

Girls, it's like in a joke a husband praised his wife. "Drink tea, dear guests - hot, fresh, wife itself cooked! Eat the cake - delicious, delicious, wife itself bought it! "
Exactly, exactly, as in the joke !!!
dopleta
Quote: Gasha

Is it possible for him to earn money and be with his hands? It is also desirable with brains ...
You can, Gan! He also knows how to cook ... It’s a pity for the current daughters, it’s difficult to choose suitors, they compare everyone with dad ...
albina1966
Quote: Song *

Girls, it's like in a joke a husband praised his wife. "Drink tea, dear guests - hot, fresh, wife itself cooked! Eat the cake - delicious, delicious, wife itself bought it! "
Well, I came (went) Lieutenant Rzhevsky Song and vulgarized everything returned from heaven to earth.
Song
Well, actually, I meant that if you want to praise, you will always find what for! ...
azaza
Oh, girls, how interesting are you here, such a burning topic
Toka, I no longer remember which side it touches the kitchen furniture
albina1966
Quote: azaza

Oh, girls, how interesting are you here, such a burning topic
Toka, I no longer remember which side it touches the kitchen furniture
Join while the mods slumber!
Ipatiya
Quote: azaza

Oh, girls, how interesting are you here, such a burning topic
Toka, I no longer remember which side it touches the kitchen furniture

So the husband that neither is sometimes the real "furniture". So everything is on the topic.
albina1966
Quote: Song *

Well, actually, I meant that if you want to praise, you will always find what for! ...
Oteta and est-LUBOFF !!!
Caprice
Oh, virgins! In the majority, it is precisely said about the men! I mean, about the husbands. But I can't get enough of my son: my assistant has grown! I trust him with the most responsible matters!
I mean that I raised him differently from my mother-in-law of my husband ...
albina1966
Oh, eureka, it seems that there are moderators in this Temko! Or I didn’t understand why! Mona or not mona flood mulberries?
azaza
Quote: Ipatiya

So the husband that neither is sometimes the real "furniture". So everything is on the topic.
Well, I wouldn't generalize. Here, apparently, how lucky someone is. My furniture is furniture, and my husband is my everything. This is me, only a greatly improved version
Caprice
Quote: albina1966

Oh, eureka, it seems that there are moderators in this Temko! Or I didn’t understand why! Mona or not mona flood mulberries?
Actually - it is impossible. But it is very burning
Gasha
Quote: dopleta

You can, Gan! He also knows how to cook ... It’s a pity for the current daughters, it’s difficult to choose suitors, they compare everyone with dad ...

Doppletin husband does not count! He is unique!
albina1966
Quote: azaza

Well, I wouldn't generalize. Here, apparently, how lucky someone is. My furniture is furniture, and my husband is my everything. This is me, only a greatly improved version
I agree, I'm lucky too. TTT
Quote: Caprice

Actually - it is impossible. But it is very burning
Do you think they will trample?
azaza
Quote: Gasha

Doppletin husband does not count! He is unique!
Yeah. She always manages to unearth unprecedented devices somewhere.
Ipatiya
Girls, so I wrote - "sometimes". Sometimes husbands merge with sofas.
Song
Quote: Gasha

Doppletin husband does not count! He is unique!
And the name is so beautiful ...
Kamusik
Quote: Caprice

Oh, virgins! In the majority, it is precisely said about men! I mean, about the husbands. But I can't get enough of my son: my assistant has grown! I trust him with the most responsible matters!
I mean that I raised him differently from my mother-in-law of my husband ...

Then do not try to give it to the wrong hands!
Caprice
Quote: Kamusik

Then do not try to give it to the wrong hands!
Let him look for "hands" and decide for himself whether they are good or bad
albina1966
Quote: Kamusik

Then do not try to give it to the wrong hands!
Tanyush! How do you know if they are good or bad hands? Very soon, sooner or later, the darling will have to "give away" his daughter-in-law.
Gypsy
Quote: albina1966

Husband gotta make money, that's what you need to bring up in your sons, so that there is enough for both a furniture assembler and a plumber, etc.
And the wife, if she likes to play with a drill as entertainment or do some other "man's" job, - to her health.

I have a different position. Isn't the furniture assembler your husband? does the plumber have a wife? As they say, someone should wash the toilets. Remember * Cain XVIII * Eugene Schwartz .. how it all ended there, do you remember the dialogue between the king and the toilet worker? What a wise phrase the toilet worker said
Furniture for kitchen
* this is painfully dirty business * he is not about his work, but about * the work * of the king and his entourage.

Earning money in our time, good money, to hire gardeners, cleaning workers, plumbers, assemblers .. very often not entirely honest business. Alas. And honestly you won't earn much. Only a few manage to sell something talented profitably. Therefore, I think that the lessons of Labor in Soviet schools, as well as the example of parents for many, turned out to be very useful for life. For example for me.
Alenky
Girls! And sons and daughters will not listen to us too much! But how can we accept these good hands, into which to give them! I’m already a mother-in-law for my son-in-law, but I’m not a mother-in-law yet! but it's just around the corner for my son 23! She took her son-in-law as a son, but for a daughter-in-law, I don’t know how, it will be! Of course you want your HANDS to be GOOD !!!
Kamusik
Quote: albina1966

Tanyush! How do you know if they are good or bad hands? Very soon, sooner or later, the darling will have to "give away" his daughter-in-law.

Yes, the fact of the matter is that from the standpoint of years and life experience, we see good or bad! And they are still blind kittens, but you can't put your brains in! Yes, and we were the same - everyone wants to learn from their mistakes ...
Gypsy
Yeah. My daughter has such a good husband and coffee in bed, and will wash the dishes, he loves her so much, carries it right in his arms. And her son got such a lazy person, the son brings her coffee to bed in the morning, he washes the dishes after her .. * anecdote with a beard but apparently eternal
Kamusik
Quote: gypsy

Earning money in our time, good money, to hire gardeners, cleaning workers, plumbers, assemblers .. very often not entirely honest business. Alas. And honestly you won't earn much. Only a few manage to sell something talented profitably.

So no one is against and does not argue! If he fails something talented is profitable to sell, let him learn to work with his hands! Lying on the couch and being clever, no need to study! My position is unchanged - you can't make money, learn to do everything yourself!
albina1966
Quote: Kamusik

Yes, the fact of the matter is that from the standpoint of years and life experience, we see good or bad! And they are still blind kittens, but you can't put your brains in! Yes, and we were the same - everyone wants to learn from their mistakes ...
Tan, and if you think philosophically, what does our experience mean? After all, he is only ours !!! And they, having nailed the children, themselves acquire this very experience, and this is their life, and these are their mistakes, bumps, which they themselves will find. What can we do here?
Oca
My opinion is that the ideal husband myself learn to stand at the stove for your sake (at least cook scrambled eggs for breakfast)

Kamusik correctly writes, if I had money to buy a kitchen in Ikea, I would order and not bathe, I would lie on the couch scratching a striped belly.On the other hand, if a person is talented, then he will not sell the fruits of his labor just to earn money. Sorry, but this is my sore point - the fight against the consumer lifestyle.
Kamusik
Quote: albina1966

Tan, and if you think philosophically, what does our experience mean? After all, he is only ours !!!

Of course, I'm talking about that too! It's just that we already, having it, can snap off the situation at one time or two, but they are not yet! And we feel sorry for them ...

Quote: albina1966

And they, having nailed the children, themselves acquire this very experience, and this is their life, and these are their mistakes, bumps, which they themselves will find. What can we do here?

That's right! This is a classic of life!
Gypsy
* Switching * (s)
Furniture for kitchen

By the way, our furniture is not ikeevskaya well assembled with my hands. And a husband needs an eye and an eye, he always has a lot of unnecessary details left
Kamusik
Great idea !!! I already took it to the dacha.

Quote: gypsy

By the way, our non-Ikeev furniture is well assembled with my hands. And a husband needs an eye and an eye, he always has a lot of unnecessary details left

you are the one to blame.

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