Tabletop ovens, stoves ...

For a year now I have been baking without convection and I can do without it perfectly.

My grandmother, indulging her family with baked goods, for 90 years did without a convention. :

After the purchase, I baked with convection a couple of times, and then I always did without it. And why turn it on if everything is baked just fine. But if you bake on two baking sheets at the same time, then convection is needed to drive hot air through the chamber. Otherwise, the result will be unpredictable.

Otherwise, the result will be unpredictable.

Well, almost unpredictable. On the upper baking sheet - the top will be baked more strongly, on the lower - the bottom.

On the upper baking sheet - the top will be baked more strongly, on the lower - the bottom.

Well yes. If you do not change the trays in places.

Well yes. If you do not change the trays in places.

Here, the solution has been found. And save time on baking. :-)

Look what a little one

Yes, this is a whole harvester from a kind of universal soldier :-)

Yes, this is a whole combine of a kind universal
soldier

I would not take such a baby, it seems that she is about to fall apart. But the two-meter kitchen (if there are any) is the best.

But still a very interesting specimen.

But still a very interesting specimen.

Yes. It would be interesting to test.

[Mila56]

Mila56, she's not a baby at all because of the coffee maker, longer than mine. The power is large, 1500. I have a mini-oven of 20 liters and then 1300. In a magician, it's not worth it, I'll take a closer look for interest. But the oven is 9 liters, just the oven is divided in two in height with the grill. And the price is more than 7 thousand rubles.

she's not tiny at all because of the coffee maker, longer than mine.

This is probably a good way out for those who live in a communal apartment or rent a room and cook in a shared kitchen. The kitchen is all ours!

I choose a stove, I really wanted the 28 eco, but the price .... Can anyone tell me how to use Kitfort KT-1702? In terms of functionality and price, everything suits, with the exception of the camera cover, but this will already be a different price. Nowhere can I find reviews of real owners. There are only positive reviews on the network, which, frankly, are very reminiscent of custom-made and a couple of three videos on YouTube, of which you can't really understand how it works. I ordered it, so far without prepayment, I want to touch it first😃

I will duplicate the message here: at OZONE Steba 28 Eco is sold for 6829 ... Discounted goods, the reason for the markdown is opened, the factory packaging is damaged. Full set, manufacturer's warranty.

I saw this shtebochka on the site yesterday, the price is delicious, but I was afraid to order.

Hello dear members of the forum)) For a long time I have not looked at the site, read the latest topics and was glad, the friendliness and thoroughness of the site remained at the level. This is one of the few sites where it is pleasant to communicate, where you can hear a competent opinion on the merits of the issue and express your opinion, knowing that you will be heard.
Now I’ll ask for advice on the oven.
The fact is that my dearly beloved Bork W500 died untimely, having served me for just over 5 years. Her heating element burst, there is no such part in the service and it takes about six months to wait, and that is not a fact. yes, here is such a service bork in St. Petersburg ((
The cost of the repair will be comparable to buying a new stove, and it is not a fact that the service will not change good parts for bad ones.

If not for the exorbitant price, I would have bought bork again. but 30 thousand? !!! it is not worth the money.
Moreover, there is no self-cleaning and internal illumination.

I looked through the last 10 pages and, as I understood, nothing new has appeared in the area of ​​desktop ovens?

That's what I would like, an oven with the ability to set the exact temperature without dancing with tambourines and additional thermometers.
a timer with a shutdown so that you can turn on the oven and calmly go for a walk as I did with bork.
self-cleaning.
backlight.
convector.
informative board.
and so that there is no need to turn anything over and be wise.
I want, as always, to prepare the food, put it on a baking sheet, set the temperature and time and go for a walk.
come and sit down to eat))

still it would be desirable that the minimum temperature was 40C. so that vegetables and fruits can be dried.

grilling is desirable but not required

seems to be nothing supernatural?
Does anyone have any idea where to look for this?

The price of the repair will be comparable to buying a new stove, and it is not a fact that the service will not change good parts for bad ones.

Did you find this out in the service, or did you guess? I was told in the store that with problems you do not need to go to the service, contact them. Brand store, Bork.

[Vasilevich]

Vasilevich, the service said ((they spent 2 weeks playing around, and then they said that the parts were not needed and it would cost about 5 thousand (
I'm looking at Redmond for 10 thousand, I like it, but I can't find real reviews.

Added on Tuesday 07 Mar 2017 04:37 PM

I bought redmond. While disappointed (((my darling bork warms mercilessly and did not get so close) she stood on my dishwasher, there was a multicooker on top and they all worked together, and this infection warmed up so that you could get burned about it. I don't want anything
Now the son will sleep, let's go look at the bracket on the wall for the microwave, my husband said he will hang it on the wall and everything will be fine.
I believe in my husband, and I really hope that everything will be resolved safely.

Added on Tuesday 07 Mar 2017 04:38 PM

and yes, I bought in Eldorado, ordered self-delivery through the Internet, there is a promotional code for a 25% discount, in the end they paid not 9999, but 7499. yeah, now all the difference will go to the bracket.

hung on the bracket. 650 RUB baked pies baked like norms. I still did not understand how to find out that the oven was heated to the desired temperature. there is no screen with the scoreboard ((metal is just foil in comparison with borok.
I chose it myself. my husband did not limit, this is my stupid idea to buy cheaper.
how sad it is after the best to the usual good to go. and no one to blame. my husband would not say a word if I bought bork again. no (I saved 20 thousand.
okay...
I walk naturally, I smile, I chirp

I'll probably get used to it.

[Lilyanna]

Lilyanna, and the brand can be more precise?

yes, the pies were baked perfectly, and the top and bottom are the same. I would say flawlessly.

I would say perfect.

Then you need to rejoice, and buy an oven thermometer to control the temperature.

[Vasilevich]

Vasilevich, Redmond has one stove only REDMOND RO-5701

Added on Tuesday 07 Mar 2017 09:19 PM

Vasilevich,

Then you need to rejoice

bork also bakes, at least not worse))

temperature control buy a thermometer for ovens

have to

Yes, there is no indication that the desired temperature has been reached. Only a recommendation to turn it on for 15 minutes at a temperature of 250 degrees and then set the desired mode. Compared to Bork, it's unusual. But it will pass and get used to it, the main thing is that it worked the first time. And outwardly it looks good. Enjoy your ownership and avoid mistakes.

[Vasilevich]

Vasilevich, thanks)) I haven't eaten the whole day with this adventure, now I'm eating the second pie, it seems to be easier. my gates are super baked. and after all, lean, without butter, eggs and milk, and that is good!
Yes, you can put 95 degrees in the bork for 17 minutes and know exactly what will happen. but such precision is rarely needed, only for a clever cake that I dearly love.
and yes, the bork has no backlight and spit. here.

and yes, the bork has no backlight and spit. here.

A flashlight to help :-), but a twist - 23 liters probably will not fit. (no, I really like the accuracy, although the appearance is also an indicator)

[Lilyanna]

I still did not understand how to find out that the oven was heated to the desired temperature.

and to control the temperature, buy a thermometer for ovens

Lilyanna, yes, you have to buy a thermometer for the ovens. Only they will not need to be used constantly, there will be no need for it. Test the stove for temperature correspondence once or twice and that's it. You will know what temperature is kept in the chamber (you will see from the readings of the thermometer for the oven) when setting, say, 150 degrees. Consider this difference. I've been in my budget stove for almost a year without a purchased thermometer. Just at the beginning of using the stove when setting the temperature according to the recipe, let's say 180 degrees. saw that the bottom was on fire. Began to put 150 degrees. and everything baked perfectly according to the same recipe. And after about a year I decided to buy a thermometer for ovens, well, when testing temperatures, I found out that my oven overestimates the temperature by 30 degrees. And at the beginning of using it, I determined it empirically. In order not to bother, it is better to buy a thermometer and test the stove for temperature compliance. Such a temperature glitch is common. Do not be afraid of this. Stoves can not only overestimate, but also underestimate the temperature. Only when testing, check the temperatures not in the first 10-15 minutes, at this time the temperature in any stove will surely sag, decrease (physics, the hot temperature of the chamber is mixed with the temperature of a pie just delivered, say). And check the temperatures at the stage when temperatures are no longer set. I hope not confused. And in terms of functionality, your stove is good. The quality of the stove metal is another matter entirely.

The quality of the stove metal is another matter entirely.

The result should be put first. And the rest of the person gets used to. :-)

and yes, the bork has no backlight and spit. here.
Flashlight to help :-)

no more no bork no problem

no bork no problem

I see a common language with the new stove.

Hello forum users. In an attempt to decide which mini stove to buy, I accidentally came across this wonderful forum and ... hung up here))) As a result, tomorrow such a Simfer M4572 stove will come to me, it seems that everything has already been decided, but I am still in doubt ( Are there any happy owners of this unit here - please share your personal impressions!)

[NinaSPb]

NinaSPb, welcome to the forum! At first, many people hang here, and I am no exception. So far, I figured out at least a little where and how to find the right one. I studied this topic for several months before buying my desktop stove. As a result, I chose the ROLSEN KW-3026 mini-oven and have no regrets. It is budgetary in price, but its volume is enough for me. I looked at the stove you chose for yourself.

🔗

She has 5 standard heating modes, which is good. I paid attention to the indicated internal dimensions 440 x 420 x 240 mm. It turns out (if I understood correctly) that the height in the chamber from the bottom to the top is 24 cm. Now I specially measured this height in the chamber in my stove, it is 27 cm. And between the shadows I have 22 cm. When this is the internal distance between the upper and with lower shades, you can bake tall products without problems. For example kulich or bread in a bakery form. And if the distance between the shadows is much less, say 18 cm, then the top of the tall baking can burn, be sealed to the upper shadows. This is about high baked goods. And the stove is functionally good. Some of the members of the forum have Simfer and it seems to be 45 liters, but I don't remember exactly the last numbers. Read the last 30 pages.

Mila, thanks for your comments, yes, I seem to have seen somewhere what they wrote about the stoves of this brand, but I did not find a separate topic (are such stoves not held in high esteem by the members of the forum?)
today her husband has already received it - he says that when he opened the door to the courier, he almost fainted - a box the size of the floor of the refrigerator)

Added Thursday, 16 Mar 2017 00:24

In general, I need it mainly for baking, meat and casseroles - I cook a lot of porridge and soups in the Redmond slow cooker, but I don't like baked goods and casseroles there (And I don't bake bread often in a Mulinex bread machine.

[NinaSPb]

NinaSPb, I have a Simfer 4597 stove with a volume like yours, but it doesn't seem big to me. Just right for me !. I am very pleased with the work of my stove, especially the baked goods. The pies turn out to be ruddy, tall and somehow bakes quickly compared to the old delta. I wish you to quickly master your stove and bake all sorts of goodies in it!

Valentina, thank you, I myself hope that I was not mistaken with the choice - it was somehow difficult for me - I could not make up my mind on something.
I have another question - how do you get the confectionery in it? We all in the family love all sorts of biscuits, muffins, cookies - how are they made in this oven? Because in a multicooker it is somehow not very (

[NinaSPb]

NinaSPbUnfortunately, Ninochka is not fond of cakes, I don't eat biscuits and I don't like them. But pies, muffins and craffins baked. It turns out airy at an average level. Baking tray - on a medium level t180-200 * for 20-25 minutes. It is possible for 3-5 minutes. raise to the upper level and turn on the convection. It may be different for you and you select the temperature yourself by adding or subtracting looking at the baking. I think there will be no problems with different baked goods. Nina, have you checked your stove for temperature compliance with a stove thermometer? Check it out! There may not be a match, but maybe everything is normal. I wrote a lot about this Mila56, advised how to do it. She has very smart and sensible advice!

[NinaSPb]

We all in the family love all sorts of biscuits, muffins, cookies - how are they made in this oven? Because in a multicooker it is somehow not very (

NinaSPb, in such ovens any baked goods, including biscuits, turn out great. For a good biscuit, it is very important to beat the whites to the "peaks", otherwise we will get a sweet pancake, scrambled eggs. At least in what technique the biscuit is baked (multicooker, desktop stove, gas oven), but without proteins whipped to "peaks", a good biscuit will not work. This is a very well known fact. Once upon a time, it was for this reason that I did not get a biscuit. She baked a biscuit in her oven at 140 degrees (my oven increases the temperature by 30-35 degrees and at this time it was 170-175 degrees in the cell) for 20 minutes. I put the biscuit in an already warmed-up oven, on the middle level. The biscuit (for 3 eggs) is wonderful. And then I bought my first slow cooker

Marta MT-4301

, there is a topic about her. A lot of people praised the multicooker biscuit. In general, I did not need a cartoon and did not buy it in principle, but here we infect each other with kitchen appliances. So this is what I need, and besides that I got the biscuit in the cartoon the first time, the main thing is to beat the whites to the "peaks".
I forgot to add that the biscuit was baked in a tabletop stove without convection in the top + bottom mode.

But I did not like the multi biscuits, not the same as the usual ones, even jellied pies here and there (and we even love them very much - I cook them with such fillings that sometimes my husband and son ask, this is definitely a pie, and not a second course), but infuriates the shape of the pie (I like the deep rectangular forms for such pies and casseroles, which have also taken root in our menu, and in the cartoon it’s just nonsense.

I like the deep rectangular forms for such pies and casseroles, which have also taken root in our menu, and in the cartoon it is just absurd.

Yes, for pies, pies and any other baked goods, our table ovens are just that.

Have you checked your stove for temperature matching with a stove thermometer? Check it out! It may not be a match, but it may all be normal

No, the stove is still in the city - it hasn’t reached my country house yet - the men opened it, took it out, turned the handles there, opened the door, closed it, turned it on to look, and put it back into the box) Well, it’s understandable - neither husband nor son even once do not participate in the cooking process - their products from the supermarket turn into different goodies as if by themselves, without an intermediate process)))

[NinaSPb]

NinaSPbThey said very rightly, my husband and son are exactly the same! They don't care what and how they prepare. At best, pour water into a kettle and boil to make yourself tea or coffee. Ning, will your stove live a suburban life?

Yes, mine is definitely sure that the products are loaded into the refrigerator, they must be allowed to stand there - and .... krible crabble - now everything has turned into ready-made food)
Yes, mine will be a villager. It has been seven years since I moved to the suburbs of St. Petersburg - something began to be unbearable to live in the metropolis (My people are all tied to work, so they live in a city apartment for the working part of the week, and we live in two houses (We got used already. And my stove the previous one for me, it's funny to say, has served since 96 years already! Firm UNIT.But since autumn the cord began to be shocked - I thought to change it, but although the stove cooks and bakes it is still fine, but its size has already ceased to suit me - I have to cook in small containers, and pies of normal size, only 4, maximum 6 fits (I thought that the multicooker would replace figurines (In it, of course, a lot of things are tastier, but not everything that my love. So I bought an assistant)

By the way, I also don't bake in a slow cooker, except once or twice aspic pie with saury and charlotte with apples. I did not like either one or the other, and stopped baking experiments. Baking in the oven is another matter. Although many people bake bread in a multicooker and are very happy with the results. Yes, I forgot, I also baked bread, which immediately went into the garbage can: heavy as a brick, poured over with condensation. Panasonka bakes bread for me, my darling!

[velli]

velli, too, having tried the oven in a multicooker, she stopped. A sponge cake from a multicooker. although very lush, it tastes to me like a lush sweet fried egg. (In the Novgorod region, the villagers call it a fighter). It's a matter of personal taste preferences.

Well, yes, for cooking jelly, soups, stews, cereals, pilaf - the slow cooker is just a godsend, but the rest is very conditional (well, maybe I also liked the vegetable stew and stewed potatoes. The slow cooker bribed me by preparing and supporting the dish before preheated time.Oven and bake only in the oven - nothing can replace it)

Added on Friday, 17 Mar 2017 05:10

And, yes, for beans and peas - the slow cooker is also super - I cook these fillings in it - we really love all sorts of bean dishes, pies with mashed peas + fried carrots with onions - it's very tasty)

Hello everyone! In the process of choosing a replacement for the burned out Delta, 0423k came up with 2 options:
GASTRORAG EPZ-1M
Main characteristics
Connection 220 V
Capacity (pizza) 1
Number of chambers (pods) 1
Internal dimensions of the chamber 330x330x200 mm
Pizza diameter 30 cm
Temperature range from 0 to 350 ° С
Power 2 kW
WxDxH 496 mm 490 mm 350 mm
Weight (without packaging) 30 kg
Country of origin China

The model is equipped with an electromechanical control panel, independent temperature control of the lower and upper heating elements, a ceramic hearth, a door with an inspection window and a timer. Stainless steel body and doors
and
Roller Grill FC 260

Main characteristics
Connection 220 V
Number of levels 3
Chamber dimensions 335x300x230 mm
Reduced baking sheet
Temperature range from 0 to 250 ° С
Electromechanical control
Power 1.5 kW
WxDxH 465 mm 475 mm 280 mm
Weight (without packaging) 16 kg
Country of origin France

The model is equipped with 2 rotary toggle switches for regulating the temperature inside the chamber, a door with double glass and a timer for 120 minutes. The body and inner chamber are made of stainless steel.

Automatic temperature limiter
Automatic door trimming and fixing in several positions
2 lights to indicate the degree of heating and connection to the network
Internal lighting
4 rubber feet
Now I am in a stalemate, I desperately need help) I cannot lean towards one, but both can be bought, there is nowhere to put them, the kitchen is small) Maybe someone came across them?

I replenish the ranks of choosing an electric oven. I want to purchase a stove with a volume of about 35 - 45 liters.
The choice is between the simfer m4279 and rolsen kw-3526 models. What can you suggest? I would like, of course, simfer m4597 with electromechanical control and a dial + 3 liters. volume but also more expensive by 4000 which hits the budget.

Yulyash @, well, here the choice is essentially to pay for beauty or not) There won't be much difference in baking. Rollsen will keep warm outside. Simfer has made a good stove, but they want too much, you can buy an eco shte. Or how I was going to Gastrag with a hearth for 13,500.

I thought and thought and took Delta) 34 l, convection, declared temperature 320 max. When she worked 4-5 times a week 1-2 times a day she lived for 1.5 years.

But I still like Simfer 4279 more, it has double glass, here they talk about this advantage. There are many ambiguous opinions about convection. Even in the symfer, the inner coating is enamel .... probably better to clean than aluminum.

Double glass is definitely an advantage - the outer one heats up less and heat loss is minimal. But I was not impressed with convection for a small stove, in fact, blowing air from one point and if it is blocked by the edge of the baking sheet, then only an extra sound, but zero sense.
You have to live and work with this stove, so choose what your soul is more about.

Ok, and in what dishes is convection more often used? And is it really worth overpaying for it? I will be using the oven for cooking and heating. Since the microwave is broken and I don't want to put another unit just for warming up