An oven for baking bread from various types of flour.

Friends! help with the choice

The bread maker is planned to be used only for yeast-free bread
(for example, on the "eternal" sourdough from this site) from whole flour, mainly rye.
It would also be nice to have a dough kneading mode.
Nothing else is needed
As I understand it, each bread maker comes with a recipe book, which, as I again understood,
must be followed very strictly.
For example, we look at the yandex market in the advanced settings, put the daws
wholemeal bread
and yeast-free baked goods
we get only Delongi BDM 775 S and Delongi BDM 1200 S
see their recipe books - all recipes with yeast
as I understand it, one of the most popular and reliable is panasonic
Thank you in advance

Sourdough bread is not yeast-free.
This is bread based on wild uncultivated yeast, which, along with lactic acid bacteria, is contained in the sourdough.
It will take an increase in the time for the first and second proofing. Rye bread needs 1 long kneading and lengthening of the proofing time, the second kneading and kneading are not needed. I gave in several topics how to manually "program" any stove. Or take a stove with a programming function - delongues, bork, although this is not necessary at all.
See more in the topics about leavens

Yeast-free baked goods are baked goods made with soda or baking powder without yeast and without sourdough (muffins). Kneading for such a dough is not needed, and by and large a bread maker is not needed for baking at all, an oven (or multicooker) is enough.
There are also 2 recipes for soda bread without yeast and sourdough - Irish soda bread with oatmeal and German rye. Both recipes are in my temka about recipes and secrets of healthy eating

PS It is not necessary to follow the recipes from the instructions. The recipes from this site are proven and suitable for any model, the mode can always be selected the same or by analogy. It is only necessary to look at the maximum permissible amount of ingredients for a particular stove. If necessary, any recipe can be reduced by recalculating proportionally (there is also a Temka about this). All questions are covered on the forum, look for the search button at the top of the page.

Conclusion: any stove will do or you can do without it at all

Good luck

In my opinion, you don't need a stove, buy a dough processor and that's it, the kind of bread you want is better baked in the oven, and if you really want a bread maker, then with programming, Delongey or, for all ovens, will fit almost in the "dough" mode (available in all ovens), knead the dough, turn it off, let it come up as needed and turn on the "Baking" for 50-60 minutes.

Thanks for answers.

First, I'll try to grow the leaven and bake it in the oven.

It seemed to me that there was less fuss with the bread maker - it would knead the dough, you could leave - everything would cook itself and turn off.

I'm trying to pick a stove. It does not work.
I even chose kenwood 450, and then I read here on the forum that it is almost unrealistic to bake rye bread there without some strange manipulations, such as removing the scapula, because it has a proofing time of no more than 2 hours.
I'm so upset, I already thought I had found the HP of my dreams

I don't really like white bread, so I want to bake other bread: corn, oat, rye, with bran, with wheat germ, etc.
You also need the ability to bake not with yeast, but with soda, such as charlotte.

But I don't want to have to stand over the HP with a spatula and a tambourine, but just to fill in the food and poke the buttons once (excluding inhuman experiments on bread, of course).

Please advise HP, which will allow all this 100%

[Ananda]

Ananda, you haven't written where you are from, so it's hard to advise specifically ...
Look for a programmable bread maker, you can emulate any mode on it and bake any bread ...

I'm trying to pick a stove. It does not work.
I even chose kenwood 450, and then I read here on the forum that there is almost unrealistic to bake rye bread without any strange manipulations such as taking out the scapula, because it has a proofing time of no more than 2 hours.
I am so upset, I already thought I had found the HP of my dreams ...

Happiness is very close!
kenwood BM450 - programmable oven,
she will rid you of, "... strange manipulations ..."
has 5 additional programs,
which you write down yourself.
Rye bread is baked very easily
read here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0
and buy your dream stove.

It helped, plus a reputation.

Duc, that's what they write:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8408.0

and

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8408.0

I understand that this is an instruction for Kenwood 450:

🔗

It turns out that there is no programming flexibility at all. Why so much money?
PS Well, in short, even so. Will these notorious 2 hours be enough for me to bake any prettier bread, or will there be recipes that I cannot implement without additional shamanism?

[Ananda]

Ananda, normal programming, only a little confused with the terms, short-term kneading - kneading, deboning, or molding is called ... It's bad that the temperature is not regulated, maybe there is, but you can't see it ...

Duc, that's what they write:
... ...
PS Well, in short, even so. Will these notorious 2 hours be enough for me to bake any prettier bread, or will there be recipes that I cannot implement without additional shamanism?

You are not asking about anything.
Write to yourself on paper,
what you want to bake.
If miracles, then to the magicians.
If bread, then Kenwood BM450
very good bread maker and
will quite cope with the fact
what they wrote in the topic title.
Yes, and time to freak out especially,
I guess you won't.
The bread is baked for more than 3 hours.
Then you also need to eat it.
Then ...

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, if I knew everything about bread, I would not ask.
It is written on the forum that the 2-hour limit is a problem, and I am just clarifying whether this is so.

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, if I knew everything about bread, I would not ask.
It is written on the forum that the 2-hour limit is a problem, and I am just clarifying whether this is so.

Ananda , Kenwood BM450 allows you to raise the dough for 1 hour + 15 sec. stirring + 2 hours rise + 15 sec. stirring + 2 hours rise = 5 hours 30 sec. Includes a special tool for removing the blade. Great oven! In Moscow, in Technopark 🔗, it now costs 5910 rubles.

I don’t want to sound boring, but I’ll still ask

Again, in the topic about this 2-hour period, they wrote that exactly 15 seconds of mixing is the problem and they cannot be canceled in any way. That when rye bread is lifted, it just can't be touched for 5 hours. Of course, I see that there are recipes without it.
So after all, 5 hours is for rare cases? Or will it often be needed?

Here people knead and turn off, and then turn on the baking mode. Ideally, nothing can be baked to throw, and then take out the finished one.

[slow stirring starts]

I don’t want to sound boring, but I’ll still ask

Again, in the topic about this 2-hour period, they wrote that exactly 15 seconds of mixing is the problem and they cannot be canceled in any way. That when rye bread is lifted, it just can't be touched for 5 hours. Of course, I see that there are recipes without it.
So after all, 5 hours is for rare cases? Or will it often be needed?

Ananda, curiosity is good!
I already wrote to you a link to baking rye bread in 3 hours.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0
I will explain using the example of the Panasonic bread machine.
Since the oven is not programmable, and the Rye program leaves much to be desired, but you want good bread. We make a combination of two modes.
Kneading on the "Gluten-free" mode, bake on the "Baking" mode.
Now step by step.
Gluten Free Mode:
As soon as it is turned on, it immediately starts stirring for 15 minutes.
Then the dough rises - 60 minutes, where after 20 minutes, 40 minutes before the end of the dough rising automatically slow stirring starts for 1 minute and cannot be turned off ...
Then everything is according to the recipe.
The bread is excellent. Read reviews there and see attached photos.
I think I answered your question.
If you still don't want to mix, they pulled out the spatula after the first kneading, fortunately, there is also a device for this in the kit, and left. Further, a complete machine and happiness.
And there is simply nothing to compare the capabilities of Kenwood BM450 from mass bread machines with today. In this class of bread makers, competitors have not yet had time to answer. The price with Panasonic today has already caught up in some places.
Of the advantages of the oven, it is flat, you can put something on it during a break. A trifle, but nice.
There is a fly in the ointment in this stove. The beautiful lid is glass and gets very hot, but the lid handle remains cold.
Everything else is OK!

Peace be with you bakers!
Vanya28 ----- Yes, and there is simply nothing to compare the capabilities of Kenwood BM450 from mass bread machines with today.

ARE YOU SERIOUS

Peace be with you bakers!
Vanya28 ----- And today there is simply nothing to compare the capabilities of Kenwood BM450 from mass bread machines.

ARE YOU SERIOUS

Compare. Let's read it. Then we'll find out. And we will help Anande.

Peace be with you bakers!
Lissa ----- Ideally, nothing can be baked, to be thrown and then taken out.
there is a grain in it
and you should not rely on the availability of programmability - while you pick up all the tunic in the tunic, you can spoil more than one bread

read the forum more closely people \ including me \ do
bread according to the same recipe on the same programs from the same products - and the result is not always the same

take a look at the variety of stoves of our users
the range of prices and capabilities of stoves is large
but in the end everyone finds the ideal \ from their point of view \
bread and BAKE THE SAME (y) no matter what
all stoves have their own + and -
if, for example, the stove has 780 watts on board, it certainly kneads a little faster than the one with 600, but it also consumes more energy and it is not known which is more profitable as a result
or let's say rye - yes, I have a Borodinsky program in 5004
but since I bake \ knead + dough + pastry \ it seems tastier to me
and some, with all the variety of programs of their stoves, prefer the main
so that we can talk about comparing hp either in terms of price or in terms of reliability, everything else IS A BUSINESS OF HUMAN HANDS

... everything else IS HUMAN HANDS

What you have to read, work hard,
for good results with bread,
it's true.
There is no magic wand.
And so sometimes you want.

Good day to all members of the forum !! As I Ananda, I understand !! I'm looking for the same! And just like you chose kenwood 450 ... Then I read it, read it, read it ... in general, I'm at a crossroads.
I also found benetone 2169. Can someone tell me if this HP can cope with the task at hand?
I think to start with buying benetone 2169. For the price it is not expensive, outwardly, it is even nothing. And if nothing good will turn out with bread (rye and all), then it will not be so sorry.

[Thaiti]

I also found benetone 2169. Can someone tell me if this HP can cope with the task at hand?

ThaitiRead about benetone here and

here

And if nothing good will come of it with bread (rye and all), then it will not be so sorry.

It will not depend on the stove, but on you! See how many "good" recipes we have on the forum. And everyone has different HP. I am sure that you will succeed if you love your HP! Good luck!

In general, it was, of course, a long time ago. And I bought a bread maker, as I was going to Kenwood 450. The bread maker is excellent, the only thing is that a bunch of bells and whistles were useless.

I used the dispenser only the first times out of curiosity, and then fell asleep all at once. There was only one time when I needed programming - this was when I wanted the pizza dough to be ready by 6 in the morning (I was going to a picnic), since the timer for some reason is not allowed there on programs with a dough. I don’t remember why, but it didn’t work for me ... either my hands were crooked, or there it’s impossible to set the baking time to 0.

I never baked bread from rye flour, I only baked bread with the addition of others - rye, corn, buckwheat ... well, all sorts of spices, carrots, etc., or even just white. As a result, one main recipe remained, in which I simply put different additives. So it was quite possible for me to buy a bread maker three times cheaper and easier.

Now I gave it to my ex-husband (for whom, in fact, she was bought, and also for the reason that there was no gas in his house, respectively, and the oven), because since the divorce (a year) I started it a couple of times in total. I still prefer Borodino or lavash. And also all sorts of cakes such as chapatis, bhaturi, parathi, etc., which are made in the oven, which I now finally have, or in a pan, or even in a dehydrator. Still, yeast and white flour are not the best for health.

Thank you very much for your answers and wishes. Only the other day we bought a Chinese Sencor 930 bread maker. Well, it just happened to be on sale and very cheap - $ 50. Still bribed that it is made of stainless steel.
I am very pleased. Bread turns out without problems, even for children. 12 programs, delayed start, the bun is kneading well, the bread is kept at the temperature for an hour, and the knife can be easily taken out ...

We have tried banana, beer, and seeds .... EVERYTHING IS VERY TASTY.

Now we plan to bake Borodinsky and try pure rye bread.

So take me into your ranks too !!

Good day to all! Perhaps my question will seem nonsense, but since my understanding in this
I beg your pardon for a weak question.
You need to choose a baker for your father (he is a fan of a healthy lifestyle).
Requires a bread machine for baking in most black bread, but in particular I want to know
is it possible to bake bread from non-yeast-free rye flour.
This is the main requirement for the oven, but in general, a reliable breadmaker is needed up to 10,000 rubles.
Please tell me if this is possible and which oven to choose.

Yeast-free bread is a bread that is baked with sourdough, it is baked mainly in the oven.

Well, it doesn't work with sinter anymore? Just to use it as much as possible, and to him it very well. I want to.

If you really want to, then you need to buy, take Panas 257 or 255

Well, if it is not difficult, can you tell in more detail and will baking such bread be more difficult?

Well, if it is not difficult, can you tell in more detail and will baking such bread be more difficult?

It will not be difficult. Look at the forum recipes, section "Sourdough Bread".

Read the section ""Sourdough bread", and HP can buy the most inexpensive (50-80 dollars) and use it for kneading and proving bread dough, then bake either in the oven or in the BAKING mode. This mode is in any HP. There are no bread makers with ready-made programs for baking sourdough bread, and therefore you should not take an expensive unit.

Thanks for the advice, but if you just take the stove for a long time once, so that later you don't have problems with the stove and don't think that you could have taken something else, is Panas okay? I just don't want to discourage my father.

Thanks for the advice, but if you just take the stove for a long time once, so that later you don't have problems with the stove and don't think that you could have taken something else, is Panas okay? I just don't want to discourage my father.

So far, they have not come up with more reliable ... unfortunately.

I have two - Panas and Alaska, so I use the latter more often. In Panas, unnecessary alignment of T before starting the batch is annoying.