List of programmable bread makers, comparison and discussion

Thanks, we will try. Is it correct that the total ascent of only 1 hour is not enough?

For yeast or fresh sourdough, enough.

I heard that it seems that in Binatone 2068 you can adjust the time

yes, it has a manual setting mode, you can set all the parameters for mixing, lifting and baking

Who else would tell about Beanaton 2068?
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here's what the instructions say:
Knead1 / Knead1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 / Ascent2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Keep Warm 0-60 minutes

Who else would tell about Beanaton 2068?
here's what the instructions say:
Knead1 / Knead1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 / Ascent2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Keep Warm 0-60 minutes

The maximum dough rise time is 5 hours, enough for almost everything.
Kneading2 5 minutes does not significantly affect its rise.
What is not clear here yet?

[Good time of day to all bakers! I want to join the guild of bakers and lovers of delicious bread!]

Good time of day to all bakers!
I want to join the guild of bakers and lovers of delicious bread!
But after viewing the forum, a number of questions arose:
1. Some bread makers have a problem: a pale soft crust. How to deal with this and in which HP models this problem is not removable?
2. Is the programming function needed for baking black bread or can it be adapted for something else?
3. From flour of the 1st grade (not very fresh, but not yet expired) gray bread will turn out?
4. I understand that "every sandpiper praises his own swamp (bread machine)," but I would like to know (or get a link where to look) which oven is the best in terms of price / quality / reliability.
Thank you in advance.
Help me make a choice, please, I really want to eat ...

everything was rubbed 100 times on this forum. Please be patient - and go ahead and study carefully! And then you will ask questions.
Or ask a very specific question so that it cannot be answered with ambiguity and bias.

[Good time of day to all bakers! I want to join the guild of bakers and lovers of delicious bread!]

Good time of day to all bakers!
I want to join the guild of bakers and lovers of delicious bread!
But after viewing the forum, a number of questions arose:
1. Some bread makers have a problem: a pale soft crust. How to deal with this and in which HP models this problem is not removable?
2. Is the programming function needed for baking black bread or can it be adapted for something else?
3. From flour of the 1st grade (not very fresh, but not yet expired) gray bread will turn out?
4. I understand that "every sandpiper praises his own swamp (bread machine)," but I would like to know (or get a link where to look) which oven is the best in terms of price / quality / reliability.
Thank you in advance.
Help me make a choice, please, I really want to eat ...

They answered you absolutely right ... here you can answer a dozen pages, so specify which stove you want, what models you have, from here and "dance" ... and then, more specifically, you can help

[one]

1. Leveling 0 = min.
2. Mix 1 = 0 min.
I. 3. Kneading 2 = 15 min.
II. 4. Ascent 1 = 60 min.
5. Mix 3 = 15 sec.
Mix 3 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 2 time is selected more than 0 min.
6. Ascent 2 = 0 min.
7. Kneading 4 = 15 sec.
Mix 4 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 3 time is selected more than 0 min.
8. Ascent 3 = 0 min.
III. 9. Baking = 90 min.
10. Heating = 0 min.

And don't forget to keep reading and asking!
In Panasonic, on my recommended rye bread baking mode, intermediate deboning is 30 seconds and everything is fine!

I can’t believe that everything will be enough one hours for proofing when baking rye bread ...

Who else would tell about Beanaton 2068?

here's what the instructions say:
Knead1 / Knead1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 / Ascent2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Keep Warm 0-60 minutes

Well, in Binaton a completely different "case" turns out. Here I also think that 5 minutes. deboning should not affect the subsequent 4 hour climb.
But, just the question is - can you trust Binaton?

[noodles / dumplings]

I looked through the instructions in Binaton-2068. I did not find the program there noodles / dumplings, there is only dough... Then the program surprised me ultra fast bread... What for? There is already a program quick bread
They still measure everything with cups, this method did not take root for me, but who knows what volume of a cup Binaton has?

...
They still measure everything with cups, this method did not take root for me, but who knows what volume of a cup Binaton has?

Pour a cup of water onto the scale and find out.
1 gr. = 1 ml.

I then began to be further interested in the intricacies of programming other HP, except for Delonga. Such a nuance has surfaced that in the instructions for Daewoo DI - 9154 they did not mention one deboning between ascents:

For Daewoo (according to the instructions), the parameters can be changed within:

Kneading 1: 6-14 minutes
Ascent 1: 20-60 min
Mixing 2: 5-20 min
Ascent 2: 5-120 min
Ascent 3: 0-120 min
Baking: 0-80 minutes
Keeping bread warm: 0-60 minutes

One deboning - after the 2nd lift.

But why, after the 2nd ascent, deboning, when after the first?
Nothing is specified between the second and third ascent. That is, it turns out 4 hours of continuous ascent!

After the 1st rise - at least 5 minutes - this is still a kneading.
Deboning - 5-7 paddle movements - valid after the 2nd lift. This is not indicated in the instructions, which is why I attributed it below.

Yes? Got it. Thank you! This is really important and strange why is it not indicated in the instructions?

Now it would be interesting to know the programming scheme for Binatone VM 2169 is the same as for Binatone VM 2068 / Daewoo DI - 9154 ... are they the same or not?

And if there is the same deboning not indicated between lifts 2 and 3?

Binaton 2068
here's what the instructions say:

Knead1 / Mix1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 / Ascent2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Keep Warm 0-60 minutes

For Daewoo (according to the instructions), the parameters can be changed within:

Kneading 1: 6-14 minutes
Ascent 1: 20-60 min
Mixing 2: 5-20 min
Ascent 2: 5-120 min
Ascent 3: 0-120 min
Baking: 0-80 minutes
Keeping bread warm: 0-60 minutes

and which is better all the same, Kenwood 450 or Delongue 125s

and which is better all the same, Kenwood 450 or Delongue 125s

I love my DeLongy!

But, in Delonghi, you can change the duration of each process in the cycle without interrupting the cycle,
Also, in Delonghi, there is a function for baking the top crust,

Damn, I didn't know ... Here's a felt boot! How to bother? put on "baked goods"? In my opinion, she swears, says that the pace is too high. and does not include ...

Perhaps under baking there is keeping the bread hot, this is the last stage of the cycle. And it is included in the program immediately.
You can also "bother"
if there was no end signal, add the baking time as much as necessary
Delonghi has a more complete and perfect programming in comparison with kenwood.

Delonghi has a more complete and perfect programming in comparison with kenwood.

It's true!!!

Also, in Delonghi, there is a function for baking the top crust,

Something is messed up here, I don't remember that

Brost into me please someone with a ready-made program and a recipe for it, I want to try to program my Binaton, but I don’t know where these parameters of kneading time and proofing are to be found. And I myself am not able to invent cycling. Thank you

[Honey gingerbread]

marinal, possible settings for the mode are in the instructions, including on the website https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...t&task=blogcategory&id=66

here is the recipe from the book:
Honey gingerbread
Ingredients
Milk 2 tbsp. l.
Ground cloves 5 pcs.
Oil 2 ½ tbsp. l.
Egg 1
Sugar 4/5 cup
A pinch of salt
Honey 1 ½ cup
Wheat flour 3 1/3 cups
Yeast 4 tsp
Grated ginger root 1

Program: "Home Made".
Settings:
Knead1 12
Rise1 20
Knead2 13
Rise2 30
Rise3 50
Bake 60
Keep Warm 60

And the root of ginger is one - what's this?

In general, I made this gingerbread: the middle was not baked, closer to the top, generally raw dough, was my first bad experience ...
Although before that, all the recipes attached to the stove were successful. Is there definitely no mistake?

I recommend that you do not trust the recipes in the cotton kit (of any company), and if you do, estimate the ratio of dry and liquid components.
The recipe above is a bit too liquid, I think.

I recommend that you do not trust the recipes in the cotton kit (of any company), and if you do, estimate the ratio of dry and liquid components.
The recipe above is a bit too liquid, I think.

I took a Daewoo 9154 - it is programmable, but so far I have never had to use this function. Basic programs are suitable. The only negative is that it passes cold air to the right between the lid and the body (top). I have to put the napkin on the slit. The stove is by the window .. It bakes well. You can always look at the batch and, if anything, fix it along the way.

Congratulations on your purchase! And the use of programming depends on the nature of the person. After a month or two of baking, you will know for sure whether you need this function. So is quick baking. I have not applied it even once. But I have not baked on my native programs for a long time, the exception is the "batch" mode.

Baked wheat-rye according to the program "With bran". Through the window I saw that the dough came up to 3/4 of the mold. I just stopped the program (20 minutes left from the third rise) and put on Bake. It's good when there is a window

result))

I am also tormented by the choice of programmable HB, I read this thread and here are my thoughts. Purely technologically, HB is not a complex apparatus. Knife motor, temperature sensor (thermocouple) heating element and control unit. All of this can be easily connected to a computer. And program as much as you want. Recipes in the forum, downloaded and forward. This is creativity! It would be time I would have crossed HB with a computer.
In general, I am surprised why no one produces HB in Russia.

Baked wheat-rye according to the program "With bran". Through the window I saw that the dough. It's good when there is a window

And without the window, everything is the same (Panasonic 255). Lift the lid in the dough approach mode and watch. In the kneading mode - they raised it, looked at the bun, added something if necessary. They also lift the lid of the stoves without a dispenser to put raisins, for example, this is provided for by the instructions (Panasonic 253). Do not open the oven only at the beginning of baking, so that the bread does not fall off. But after 15 minutes, you can again (out of curiosity) quickly look in and close it immediately, nothing will happen. Even in HP with a window, you have to open the lid during batching - sometimes the window fogs up and you don't really understand anything, you have to open it, wipe it (Kenwood 450 with its inspection strips).

In general, I wonder why no one in Russia produces HB

This is because in Russia there is a Russian oven, and people love to bake in the oven.

The forum discussed this topic a little. Have fantasized. And all because those who can do not want (there are many reasons). And who would like to improve, there is no knowledge and experience.
Yes, and there are few service center workers or hiding here. But they could, in agreement with the administration, advertise their services, this is not to give out secrets. On the little things, people are already repairing themselves. Let's get to the microcircuit!

Good day! Can anyone advise where in Moscow you can buy DeLonghi 125s. I can't find at all

[adolfeg]

adolfeg ! fill in the name in a search engine, for example in Yandex, and you will find it! Good luck.

Thanks for the tip, but I've already used it.
In yandex in the first 100 positions - out of stock
That's why he turned, maybe someone has seen it somewhere lately.

[adolfeg]

adolfeg They have not been on sale in Russia for a long time, they can be found only in Ukraine.
This has already been discussed on the forum

[tanchik68]

tanchik68 There only on order, not available

Dear bakers!
Please advise, help me make a choice.

I really want to buy a programmable bread maker.
I looked, it is possible to buy Binatone BM-2068 (4400 rubles) and Kenwood BM-450 (7500 rubles)

Which one to choose? Which is better?

[Alena78]

Alena78 Binatone BM-2068 Take it! The best choice in terms of price / quality ratio!

[Alena78]

Alena78, Binaton BM-2068 has clones (like everything with one Home made mode - programming):
VR BM-4013V
Ariete 130
Vitesse VS - 422
Saturn STEC7772

It so happened that I bought a Panasonic 255 today
For some reason I didn't like Binaton in the store. But Kenwood was not there.
That's it.

Now I am reading a book, now I will bake something!

And why do I need 2 stoves now?

I also wanted to buy a programmable bread maker. But I bought a Panasonic 255. And now I come to the conclusion that programming in a bread machine is more a marketing feature than a really working function. An ordinary user is unlikely to be able to make a baking program himself.
First, where to get the programs? Choose the parameters yourself? How much time and food does it take.
Second: the programming possibilities are very limited and primitive.
Thirdly: the process of baking wheat bread has already been worked out, it has not been worked out only for rye bread, perhaps the bread maker is not quite suitable for baking rye bread.
Of course, I am oversimplifying and exaggerating somewhere. But now, just like when I bought a bread maker, the criteria for choosing a bread maker for me are: convenience, reliability, availability of a working service, design. I would put programming in the last place.

Although I myself am thinking of making my own controller to control the bread maker, I just can't muster my strength.
First, you need to reverse engineer the algorithm of the bread machine. I hope Panasonic will not run into me

First, you need to reverse engineer the algorithm of the bread machine. I hope Panasonic will not run into me

We are looking forward to hacking Panasonic

Please tell me, are there ovens besides zojirushi (I don't know where to buy it in Yekaterinburg), where you can make the proofing time more than 6 hours?

[Nady_gera]

Nady_gera Proofing time can be simulated in almost any CP where there is a kneading of yeast dough, and then baking. That is, kneading - stop - exposure 6 hours - baking

[Nady_gera]

Nady_gera Proofing time can be simulated in almost any CP where there is a kneading of yeast dough, and then baking. That is, kneading - stop - exposure 6 hours - baking

But if you press stop, the required temperature will not be observed? and then I will not be able to program so that the bread is ready, for example, in the morning, because for further start I will have to press further start

[Nady_gera]

Nady_gera Then only zojirushi and do not forget that they are mainly for a voltage of 120 volts and can only be ordered via the Internet or brought from behind the "hillock"
Panasonic's proofing time in French 2 hours 45 min-4 hours 10 minutes

I realized thanks! but will you tell me the sites where you can order them?

[Nady_gera]

Nady_gera More Kenwood 450 maximum total ascent time 5 hours
Yes, keep in mind they say that it is very difficult to bake rye bread in Zorushi, the engine is rather weak

5 hours is not enough for me - I bake hop bread and leave it for 12 hours.
So you have to stop baking anyway.

Thanks for the hint - now I'm studying 450, only it is not in mvideo, but I have a card there :(

but in 350 there is no such thing?

[Nady_gera]

Nady_gera No 350 model is programmable!
you can try your luck, look for DeLonghi BDM-125S
Only in Russia they are almost not on sale

In general, I decided to take Panas 254 and stop for proofing! :)

Thanks for the consultation:)