Which model of Panasonic bread machine to choose: 2502 or 2512?

Hello everyone! I read a lot of information on your forum. Everyone praises the 2512. And yes, you've seen someone choose between the two. However, I have specific questions on two fronts (based on two main differences in these models):
1. Do you need a low yeast bread program? Do you use it often? Is the bread really not so airy? Is it possible to bake one like this in 2502 just by reducing the amount of yeast and not losing it in bread quality?
2. "Filled bread" - the main function of interest to me in 2512, which is not in 2502. Is it possible to bake bread, for example, with olives / tomatoes / other additives in 2502, without losing quality? Is it much more difficult than using the ready-made program # 5 of the 2512 Bread Maker? When do you add these ingredients to 2502 - at the end of the dough? And in general, will there be a difference in the quality of bread with additives, someone compared?
Considering that now there is a frenzied demand for bread makers, prices for them have skyrocketed, 2512 is out of stock, and I have a birthday ... Therefore, your help is needed: is it possible to get by with the 2502 model, based on my questions?
Thanks in advance to everyone.

I'll make a reservation right away, I have 2511

Is the bread really not so airy? Is it possible to bake one like this in 2502 just by reducing the amount of yeast and not losing it as bread?

No, the bread is airy and no worse than in the main mode, it's just that this mode is 50 minutes longer. Is it possible to bake in a different mode, hardly - you have to be smart with something, at least somehow lengthen the distance, but it seems to me that the batch itself is more authentic in it, but this is not certain.

Is it possible to bake bread, for example, with olives / tomatoes / other additives in 2502, without losing quality? Is it much more difficult than using the ready-made program # 5 of the 2512 Bread Maker? When do you add these ingredients to 2502 - at the end of the dough? And in general, will there be a difference in the quality of bread with additives, someone compared?

I won't tell you about it, I don't know
Excuse my curiosity, why do you need two dispensers? All the same, the yeast dispenser is not the most necessary part in the stove, but in my opinion it is generally superfluous ... My model does not have this dispenser and nothing bangs every program. They sound very loud, these dispensers. When the disp works. for the filling, I always flinch and jump, so I never put it on at night.

1. Do you need a low yeast bread program? Do you use it often? Is the bread really not so airy? Is it possible to bake one like this in 2502 just by reducing the amount of yeast and not losing it as bread?

Low-yeast bread is a very nice program. The bread is the same airy as on the main program, but it has a different crumb structure - smaller and more uniform pores. As you have already been told, such bread cannot be obtained on the machine simply by reducing the amount of yeast; dances with tambourines will be needed.

"Filled bread" is the main function of interest to me in 2512, which is not in 2502. Is it possible to bake bread, for example, with olives / tomatoes / other additives in 2502, without losing quality? Is it much more difficult than using the ready-made program # 5 of the 2512 Bread Maker? When do you add these ingredients to 2502 - at the end of the dough? And in general, will there be a difference in the quality of bread with additives, someone compared?

I used this program only once, and even then by mistake. It is needed if you like to shove a large number of additives into your bread, moreover bulky and wet ones - such as cheese, ham, olives, sun-dried tomatoes. In this case, they do not fit into the dispenser and must be added manually.At a certain moment, the kneading stops, the stove beeps, you add whatever you want and start the further process yourself. That is, you can't put it at night. In principle, you can add all this manually on any program, it is not at all necessary to stop the batch. But first you need to sit with hours over a working bread maker to determine how long each stage lasts and toss in the additives 5-7 minutes before the end of the batch.

I'll make a reservation right away, I have 2511 No, the bread is airy and no worse than in the main mode, it's just that this mode is 50 minutes longer. Is it possible to bake in a different mode, hardly - you have to be smart with something, at least somehow lengthen the distance, but it seems to me that the batch itself is more authentic in it, but this is not certain.

Lyudmila, thank you for your answer! Do you often bake low-yeast?

I won't tell you about it, I don't know
Excuse my curiosity, why do you need two dispensers? All the same, the yeast dispenser is not the most necessary part in the stove, but in my opinion it is generally superfluous ... My model does not have this dispenser and nothing bangs every program. They sound very loud, these dispensers. When the disp works. for the filling, I always flinch and jump, so I never put it on at night.
I also thought about 2511. Confused by the case in white plastic. All my equipment is silver-black. In general, how much do you use? Does not turn yellow in some places there (wrote here on the forum)

Lyudmila, thank you for your answer! Do you often bake low-yeast?
About the dispenser. Doesn't the additive dispenser click just as loudly? I also thought about 2511. Confused only by the body in white plastic. All my equipment is silver-black. Have you been using the oven for a long time? Doesn't it turn yellow in some places there (wrote here on the forum)?

Low-yeast bread is a very nice program. The bread is the same airy as on the main program, but it has a different crumb structure - smaller and more uniform pores. As you have already been told, such bread cannot be obtained on the machine simply by reducing the amount of yeast; dances with tambourines will be needed. I used this program only once, and even then by mistake. It is needed if you like to shove a large number of additives into your bread, moreover bulky and wet ones - such as cheese, ham, olives, sun-dried tomatoes. In this case, they do not fit into the dispenser and must be added manually. At a certain moment, the kneading stops, the stove beeps, you add whatever you want and start the further process yourself. That is, you can't put it at night. In principle, you can add all this manually on any program, it is not at all necessary to stop the batch. But first you need to sit with hours over a working bread maker to determine how long each stage lasts and toss in the additives 5-7 minutes before the end of the batch.

Svetlana, thank you for your answer! And I would like to ask you, how often do you bake low-yeast bread?

[Mona_L]

Mona_L, for additives it clicks as loudly as for yeast, but not on all programs, for example, if I use a program with additives, I never put it on overnight. In addition, after the dispenser is triggered, I take it out so that it would serve longer.

Low-yeast bread is a very nice program. The bread is the same airy as on the main program, but it has a different crumb structure - smaller and more uniform pores.

I disagree, here is my gray one (with the addition of c. Z. And rye flour) on low-yeast

Thank you! Cute. Again: how often do you bake a low yeast bake?

[Mona_L]

It is this crumb that I mean. If you bake this bread on the main one, the pores will be larger and all of different sizes. And here you have just very uniform small pores, practically all over the crumb, with the exception of a few large ones in the upper part.
However, I am not an expert in gray bread, unfortunately they don’t eat that.
Mona_L, opinions were divided about the yeast dispensary. Obviously, you can do without it. But in general, it is very convenient and if you are not afraid of loud sounds, then you will like its presence.



Low-yeast is almost the main regime for me.But this does not mean that without it you will not have delicious bread.

Svetlana, sounds don't scare me, the room allows. I still can't figure out (and no one has answered yet, unfortunately) how often is the low yeast bread program used?

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If not a secret, why almost the main mode? Diet? Or do you like it better?

I just like something and I like the structure of the crumb and the taste, and the fact that the yeast goes less. Although, in general, I have nothing against yeast, and I don’t save much, but it somehow warms my soul that it takes longer to bake and less yeast is needed.
Although, when I sometimes bake in the main mode, I also get excellent bread.

[SvetaI]

SvetaI, Svetlana, and how much yeast do you put in low yeast?

As in the recipe book - 3/4 tsp. for 500 grams of flour. And on the main program, 1.5 tsp is needed for the same amount of flour. yeast

And for me low-yeast - the main one I bought Kazakh flour of 2 grades, tomorrow I will bake



Forgotten 2511

[Mona_L]

Mona_L, I started now (in self-isolation) on a low-yeast oven gray bread, I save yeast And my mother, she has the same 2511, she basically bakes on it, the same gray (300g wheat + 100g rye), it turns out tall and fluffy.

Last time I showed bread in the Panasonic theme, I have 5 grams of fresh yeast for 400 grams of wheat flour and 100 grams of rye

Girls, thank you all very much! Well, I can't wait for 2512 to be brought to Moscow. They are now only in one store at a price of 28990! This price is the result of rush demand due to self-isolation. And all the sellers say the new supply will be cheaper. And my birthday is in 3 days! I ordered 2502. I will do without low-yeast bread ...

[Mona_L]

Mona_L, in principle, it is quite possible to live and bake without it. So don't worry, you will have a good stove! For me, for example, the French regime is more important, I really love the taste of this bread. Dietetic for gray and very gray breads is also good. So you won't be disappointed.

Thank you, Lyudmila! Believe it or not: I just went online again to see if 2512 had appeared and saw that there were no more than 29 thousand of them. And this is 7000 more expensive than the price of the 2502 model. It is clear that soon, for objective reasons, demand will decrease and the price will return. But someone does not want to wait, and someone makes money on it. Nothing new, in general ...

I have 2512 and it annoys me very much when at night (and I put bread at night) she clicks when the yeast pours out. I was also led by a new model. Buy 2502 the more it is cheaper. I also bought 2502 for my sister.

I have 2512 and it annoys me very much when at night (and I put the bread at night) it clicks when the yeast pours out. I was also led by a new model. Buy 2502 the more it is cheaper. I also bought 2502 for my sister.

Both of these models - 2502 and 2512 - have two dispensers, for additives and for yeast.

Oh, I probably meant 2501. sorry. In general, the same is only white with 1 dispenser. For a long time I don't really remember ... My sister is delighted ...

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Tell me, please, if there is no "coarse bread" mode, then you can't bake in this model at all, or can't you bake in automatic mode ??

[Minsk]

Minsk, that way: Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)