I V A N
Good day, dear forum users!

I choose a stove.
Requirements:
1. Baking gluten-free bread (from a mixture of Garnets mixture in packs of 600 g)
2. Baking pure rye sourdough bread

Additional (desirable) requirements:
1. Baking bread on dough (like Borodinsky)
2. Baking various wheat breads
3. Programs for the wife, for baking bread in one touch without changing the settings

Having studied the forum, I chose 3 stoves, their "+" and "-"

Bork X800
"+"
- Service in Russia
- The price is lower than others
- pre-configured programs that can be changed (and saved?)
- minimum bread size 750g
- the presence of a dispenser
"-"
- temperature up to 150 C (enough for rye?)
- only time adjustment, no temperature adjustment (but is it up to?)
- the bucket doesn't mix well (? not sure)
- smaller range of adjustments than in the others

Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20 (more precisely BB-PAC20, which has a pre-configured gluten-free bread program)
"+"
- the largest range of adjustments
- top ten
"-"
- there is no service in Russia, at all
- no dispenser
- temperature only 150
- no temperature regulation, only time
- only a large bucket (can you order a small one?)
- 110 volt network, adapter required
- the most expensive, taking into account all shipments, adapters

Sana Smart Bread Maker Exclusive
"+"
- at least in one store, but you can buy in Russia
- possibility to install a double bucket from Gorenie
- temperature up to 230 С (is it necessary?)
- adjustment of not only time but also temperature
- rich equipment

"-"
- only 3 programs can be saved
- service - you need to send back to the company store
- no dispenser

Who owns these stoves, please write:
1. If there is still "+" for my tasks, then what
2. How to bypass the "-", or they do not bother you, it does not matter in baking, they have adapted
3. Why did you choose your own stove

Thanks a lot for your answers!
Omela
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Sana Smart Bread Maker Exclusive
"+"
- at least in one store, but you can buy in Russia
- the ability to install a double bucket from Gorenie
- temperature up to 230 С (is it necessary?)
- adjustment of not only time but also temperature
- rich equipment

"-"
- only 3 programs can be saved
- service - you need to send back to the company store
- no dispenser
I V A N, I already have the third HP without an incandescent, and absolutely does not bother me.) Regarding the temperature, I really like the oven at high temperatures. The bread turns out. like from the oven. But with small breads it will not work, the minimum amount of flour is 500 g and the optimal size is from 700-800.
A citizen
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Sana Smart Bread Maker Exclusive
I would take this one.
I V A N
Quote: Omela
But with small breads it will not work, the minimum amount of flour is 500 g and the optimal size is from 700-800.

Have you tried it in the Gorenie bucket?
my star
Quote: I V A N
Bork X800
"+"
- Service in Russia
- The price is lower than others
- pre-configured programs that can be changed (and saved?)
- minimum bread size 750g
- the presence of a dispenser
"-"
- temperature up to 150 C (enough for rye?)
- only time adjustment, no temperature adjustment (but is it up to?)
- the bucket doesn't mix well (? not sure)
- smaller range of adjustments than in the others
Good afternoon, I V A N.
I made friends with this stove more than three years ago, until I was disappointed) Initially, the requirements for the purchase were similar to yours, in the process of operation I realized what I was right about, what I was wrong about. The possibility of programming is a definite plus, but the value of the dispenser in mechanized bakery completely agrees with Omela, greatly exaggerated).
As for the listed disadvantages: for more than three years of active baking, the temperature was always enough, but sometimes I wanted to reduce it - after especially zealous and intricate programming. I hope you noticed that the ears of the answer to the next point stick out here - the temperature can be adjusted at all stages, the range is really not wide (and here is the answer to the fourth point)))
About the bucket.I suppose that the reviews on the basis of which you made such a conclusion belong to bakers who beat themselves on the hands when they want to "help the bun with a spatula"))), because the stove must bake itself))) Undoubtedly. "Simple" bread is undoubtedly what she does successfully at the delayed start. But if we are talking about rye, custard, sweet-heavy bread, then completely trust the lottery machine, for different products, humidity, mood, etc. However, I touch on the subtleties that you just have to comprehend) In the meantime, the happiness of choice )
Everything suits me in the stove. Despite the numerous negative reviews about her) The preferences in the family are varied - we bake Karelian and Borodino for mom, Darnitsky and mustard for dad, whole grain and cottage cheese for children, Arabic and cakes for everyone - this is regular, everything else is from case to case. The result is invariably pleasing, although there are momentary features associated with the nuances that I mentioned earlier.
I would be glad if I could help
Omela
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Have you tried it in the Gorenie bucket?
I never bought it. At first the price stopped it, but now I realized that I didn't need it.
I V A N
OmelaDoes it always mix well, or is it the same as in Bork you sometimes need to help?
Omela
I V A N, it is not necessary sometimes, but to help in principle, since the bucket is made of stainless steel and the dough sticks to it. I wrote in the subject. The softer the dough, the more it sticks and rises. And one more thing .. about the programs, if you bake sourdough bread, then it is impossible to set one time for the same bread. This is how much I bake. all the same you have to visually track.
il-ir
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Bork X800
- pre-configured programs that can be changed (and saved?)
- minimum bread size 750g
It took a long time, but suddenly who needs it.

As a user of Bork X800, I would like to note that the minimum weight is 500 grams, not 750 grams. This is noted even in the modes when the weight is graded: 0.5 kg, 0.75 kg, 1 kg, 1.25 kg.
That is, these scales have standard programs and settings.

You can save several programs with your own settings.
The user program cannot be deleted - only reconfigured.

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