Vacuum packing machine

Belka13 THANKS! Quite another matter, the prices are much nicer :)

[Samovarschitsa]

Samovarschitsa, to your health! I haven't used it myself, I ordered it and I'm waiting for delivery, but experienced packers are praising it.

Look also UNOLD at the computer universe - both packers and films.

Good day everyone :)
I was puzzled by the purchase of a packer, I did not master the whole topic, but I gathered useful information. I decided to buy Zigmund & Shtain Kuchen-Profi VS-505. But, a question arose with the "consumable" ... Can you help, are there any options to buy a cheaper film, some other kind of film is suitable for him?
I would be very grateful for the tips !!!!

I can tell you: it's not very profitable to take rolls. You can buy 50 packages from the Profi Cook firm 22x30 cm for 1000 rubles. in the same place where these Zygmund packers are sold, delivery is also free (if you are going to take on-line trade) I did so and I am happy.
And then you get a taste, dig in and in Domupak you can already order not only a roll of film, but also containers and a hose for them (otherwise it turns out unprofitable, one roll plus delivery)
I did it too and am also happy.

Belka13 THANKS! Quite another matter, the prices are much nicer :)

Small clarification. They have a thinner film, however, it is more difficult to weld. Be prepared in advance for the fact that in some cases and 2-3 times you will have to boil the seam, especially if the liquid is in the bag. There are also problems with packing solid products, my dried apples often pierce this film when vacuuming, with the bags that came with the packer, this has never happened before.

PS And I also recommend vacuum lids for ordinary VACS glass jars. A hose-adapter from dom-upak containers is suitable for them, and can be normally pumped out by a vacuum sealer (if it has the function of pumping out of the container). It costs a penny and is reusable. I just wouldn't pump out 3-liter cans, I'm afraid I might crush them, and hell knows where the glass will fly there. But there are no problems with liter cans, checked personally. It is normally pumped out and holds the vacuum perfectly. There is a topic for these covers, but they are discussed outside the context of the use of a vacuum sealer

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=83397.0

[Evgeniy]

Evgeniy, we discussed this in topics from dom-upak, I showed the photo.

[Evgeniy]

Evgeniy, I will be very grateful for the video on which the film is hardly boiled. Which packer did you try to seal?

Eugene, we discussed this in topics from dom-upak, I showed the photo.

Sorry, I haven't.

Eugene, I will be very grateful for the video on which the film is hardly boiled.

Won't you take a word?

Which packer did you try to seal?

CASO FastVAC 1200
This, let's say, is not an insurmountable obstacle, I am already accustomed to simply doing double welding when sealing, in this case there is almost no marriage. I can forgive this for the low price of the film. But when packing wet products, when water gets into the place of the adhesion, this is already a disaster. Even 2-3 times welding does not guarantee tightness. There is a seam, and outwardly looks normal, but it allows air to pass through. If the products are wet there, this is clearly visible by the bubbles that run from the seam into the depth of the bag. At the same time, there were never any problems with the packages that came with the packer, they weld perfectly even in a wet state.

[Evgeniy]

Evgeniy, I have dried pears and apples in 3 liter jars. It's okay. Everything is the same as in liter.

[Natalishka]

Natalishka, but do you pump them out with a vacuum sealer, or a pseudo-pump that comes with it? If you use a manual pump from the kit, I don't see any problems, it creates a weak vacuum, but if you pump it out with a packer, it's a little scary. In chemical laboratories, desiccators are used for vacuum drying - these are glass "pots" with lids. So there, so that they are not crushed by atmospheric pressure, the glass is twice as thick as in champagne bottles.

I'm sorry to wedge myself into the conversation. My husband recently bought a vacuum cleaner Sigmund. Truth bought at the office. website, so it turned out a little more expensive, but he is happy with the purchase.
Now we want to present such a device to our father-in-law for the New Year. At first we planned to give the model that we have, but I decided, just in case, to look at people's reviews about other vacuum machines.
In my opinion, the price corresponds to the quality in the Siegmund vacuum apparatus, but tell me, is this double seam so important? And is it worth it to overpay 3000 just for the sake of it?

Natalishka, do you pump them out with a vacuum sealer, or a pseudo-pump that comes with it?

I recently wrote that I was pumping out the air. Just from a 3-liter jar of dried fruit. All OK.

tell me, is this double seam so important? AND

No one bothers to make a single seam twice.

No one bothers to make a single seam twice.

Quite a logical decision, thanks a lot for the advice. So now we will definitely give Zigmund & Shtain.

Won't you take a word?

Eugene, why don't we believe? We believe, but the work is as follows: we collect all the information on comments to the Korean packers Gochu and PackPlus (and accessories) from customers (for clarity, we ask you to make a video) and send it to the factory so that not a single comment "passed by" the manufacturer. Koreans are very sensitive to the quality of their products (I think everyone knows this), so they themselves ask to do it.

This, let's say, is not an insurmountable obstacle, I am already accustomed to simply doing double welding when sealing, in this case there is almost no marriage. I can forgive this for the low price of the film.

The Korean film is thinner only by sensations, because it has fusions only on one of the inner films, instead of 2, as in the Chinese one. And this is quite reasonable, since this technology reduces the cost of the film, while not worsening the final result - complete air removal around the entire perimeter of the package. The thickness of the film, on the contrary, is quite high (80-85 microns) - that is why, as practice shows, for its full-fledged soldering on some packers, the sealing time is not enough. Therefore, on some packers, it is really better to repeat the sealing one more time.

Problems with dried apples are isolated cases, just as it happens when the film is pierced by the sharp bones or fins of dried fish. No film manufacturer is insured against this. Again, I repeat, these are isolated cases, and it is incorrect to say that this happens constantly.

Returning to the first point: I would like to see a video with the facts in order to dispel all doubts about the veracity of this information. Everyone who tries Korean film at least once, basically, becomes our regular customers, since the quality of the film is felt with the naked eye and touch.

[Evgeniy]

Evgeniy, pumping out by Proficuk, the hose from Gocha. I didn’t even know that when vacuuming it is necessary to think about the volume of the can: girl_pardon: I just don’t demand three liters, and there are a lot of dried pears and apples. So the three-liter bottles came in handy.

Another question arose!
The Kuchen-Profi VS-505 vacuum drawer comes with a good recipe book (about 30 pcs.). But maybe someone else has some proven recipes? It is sous vide that interests, not marinades.

We believe, but the work is as follows: we collect all the information on comments to the Korean packers Gochu and PackPlus (and accessories) from customers (for clarity, we ask you to make a video) and send it to the factory so that not a single comment "passed by" the manufacturer.

If possible, I will, but I do not promise that it will be quick.

The Korean film is thinner only by sensations, because it has fusions only on one of the inner films, instead of 2, as in the Chinese one.

Besides this, there is one more fundamental difference. The film that comes with Caso has air channels in the form of thin "grooves", while in the dom-upak film, on the contrary, a protruding thread is fused. More compressive force is required to flatten it properly. It is quite possible that the described problem will not occur on packers, whose rubber "cushion" is more rigid than on Caso.

Problems with dried apples are isolated cases, just as it happens when the film is pierced by the sharp bones or fins of dried fish. No film manufacturer is insured against this. Again, I repeat, these are isolated cases, and it is incorrect to say that this happens constantly.

I am simply reporting personal experience. On the film from dom-upak I had these cases (and I would not say that they are isolated), on the packages from Caso there were no such cases, that's all.

Returning to the first point: I would like to see a video with the facts in order to dispel all doubts about the veracity of this information.

Still, don't believe it. What's the point in lying to me? However, I repeat, I will record a video if possible.

Anyone who tries Korean film at least once, basically, becomes our regular customers,

I will also definitely buy it again, simply because for many situations it is no worse than the "original" one, despite the fact that it is much cheaper.

Larisa, so you will share your recipes with everyone and people will be drawn.
Well, you can somehow work more elegantly, and not insert the name of your packer into every second message.

[Larissa]

Larissa, it has long been known on the forum that one should not completely trust the recipe books attached to various appliances. (There are, of course, exceptions.) And we have a lot of sous vide recipes here. For example, here.

Larisa, so you will share your recipes with everyone and people will be drawn.
Well, you can somehow work more elegantly, and not insert the name of your packer into every second message.

The forum is a parallel discussion of several evacuators from different companies (Gochu, Bork, ZS). And I added the name so that people would understand which model I was asking about. And I can really share the recipes, I don't mind. Unfortunately, the phone only has such a photo, but I don't remember them from memory. I can send other recipes later.

For some reason, I couldn't upload the photo, so I'll write it like this.
Vacuum Pork Loin Recipe
Ingredients: Pork chops - 500 g, vegetable oil - 40 ml, salt, pepper, cumin
Preparation: Put each chop in a separate vacuum bag, add 1 tbsp. l. oils and spices to taste. Vacuum each bag and put in the refrigerator overnight. Then the chops should be dipped in preheated to 80 gr. water and cook at this temperature for 1 hour.

[Larissa]

Larissa, it has long been known on the forum that one should not completely trust the recipe books attached to various appliances. (There are, of course, exceptions.) And we have a lot of sous vide recipes here. For example, here.

Thanks a lot for the link! Just something to do tonight

AAAAAAAAaaaaaaa 110 pages ...
can you ask a stupid question?
I now watched a video on YouTube a little how vacuum packers work .. and found a store in our city .. and there are options with a camera for collecting liquid .. is it important or can you do it?

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, of course, it is convenient if there is a chamber for collecting liquid and is also removable

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, you can do it :)

Girls hello: girl_wink: I read, I don't understand anything: girl-q: about this vacuum. I found out the packer only today, but I really want to, advise, if Bork is not enough, then which one to choose.And then I do not understand them at all. But I will definitely buy, with your help

[Leysan]

Leysan, Hi! Look this topic. There are budget and at the same time very decent packers.

Girls hello: girl_wink: I read, I don't understand anything: girl-q: about this vacuum. I found out the packer only today, but I really want to, advise, if Bork is not enough, then which one to choose. And then I do not understand them at all. But I will definitely buy, with your help

Laysan, since the Bork topic has been raised not so long ago, and you want to get a packer of the same quality with similar functions, but a little simpler - I recommend Gochu - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=432033.0... Both of these packers are manufactured at the same plant in Korea, Intropack.

Don't consider it an advertisement, it's true)

[Julia]

Julia, I can say that I immediately said that they left the same conveyor.
And then in the subject I wrote about it.
I have a diamond eye))

The only thing is that bork is cooler than Gaucher, yes ...))

And I like the color more from Bork, it looks very rich, just at its price)))
By the way, Bork has a simple model in the region of 10 thousand, at today's price and not so much who has the opportunity to buy it.

[Leysan312]

Leysan312, Lesan, take a look at Caso, excellent packers and there are budget models, with all the necessary functions and without unnecessary buttons.

The time for creating a vacuum and packaging is approximately the same for all packers, a difference of 1-2 seconds.

And the difference in power of 10 watts does not play a special role))

[Julia]

Julia, I can say that I immediately said that they left the same conveyor.
And then in the subject I wrote about it.
I have a diamond eye))

The only thing is that bork is cooler than Gaucher, yes ...))

And I like the color more from Bork, it looks very rich, just at its price)))
By the way, Bork has a simple model in the region of 10 thousand, at today's price and not so much who has the opportunity to buy it.

And, I didn’t see it, I just don’t always look at the topic, I thought I’ll surprise)))))

Eye-diamond, that's for sure)))

I want and do not compete with Bork, Bork even has a simple model "more expensive" I want, but the functions are similar)) And there are clips for bags - something that no other packer has anymore)

And the difference in power of 10 watts does not play a special role))

yeah .. and how much should it be? Is 100W ok?

can be 120 and 130 watts.
I don’t know how many Ailerona Tue.

so I looked at the reviews .. bad .. at 100 W it is not enough .. the question is removed
but this seems to be good ... CASO VC 100

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You want a packer of the same quality with similar functions, but a little simpler - I recommend Gochu - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=432033.0... Both of these packers are manufactured at the same plant in Korea, Intropack.

this one I liked ...
what to do then?

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, take what you like.
Caso has a separate topic
read it
Vacuum sealers Caso

[Masinen]

Masinen, both nra !!!
I should be 28 byAnd ... well, very ... to pack the meat in the freezer ..

I was sitting there, not touching anyone, gluing gifts, Christmas trees ... well, it's boring to keep the candy just like that until it sticks .. well, I began to stare at the sides .. and in the right column at you .. vacuumator ...
I told myself to sit ... don't go ... no, go ...
went where she sent me .. let it be worse for me ...

Then choose at a price which is more suitable))
Kaso is on Ozone.

what is Elerona Tue

110 watts

caso and we have but 250 models nouuuu
it is very important what the cover is made of?

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, Is it important for you to have a stainless steel?

[Masinen]

Masinen, yes, I don’t know at all .. in that Temko I opened a photo where the models were compared .. and saw that some were made of plastic .. others were made of metal ..
so I'm asking ..

[Zhenya]

Zhenya, I have a caso 200 made of plastic

wow, I'm still on page 7 .. there you haven't bought it yet ...
I read the outline ..

Zhenechka, Mashunya, go to discuss Caso on that topic, please. The choice of a specific packer model will be of interest to many there.

Girls, thank you all very much for the answers, now I choose between Caso20 and Gocha 470

[Masinen]

Masinen, yes, I don’t know at all .. in that Temko I opened a photo where the models were compared .. and saw that some were made of plastic .. others were made of metal ..
so I'm asking ..

Zhenya, metal, in my opinion, is more stylish and beautiful, but there is one BUT. On metal, fingerprints are more noticeable and for a person "obsessed" with cleanliness, this can be a negative point. Plastic in this regard requires less maintenance, but also looks simpler.

[Shtebovich]

Shtebovich,

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here, leafing through the forums about packers, there is a desire to buy myself some kind of device, what is the difference between them if the function is the same for everyone to pump out and solder? And is he even needed? It's just that we have China in 10 minutes away, and I think it makes sense to buy some kind of branded or not?

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here, leafing through the forums about packers, there is a desire to buy myself some kind of device, what is the difference between them if the function is the same for everyone to pump out and solder? And is he even needed? It's just that we have China in 10 minutes away, and I think it makes sense to buy some kind of branded or not?

And if the warranty case, will they change / repair in China?