Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

Well, a very good picture !!! and I broke my whole head, what for this alignment is necessary))) well, in general, it was clear that for good quality bread, but the nuances

I also found a recipe there
I myself did not bake it, but I trust the recipe. From the recipes that I baked according to the instructions for the European, there were no bad ones.

Natasha, and Sdoba is what program is closer to our stove? With raisins?

[Marine]

Marine, if there is no separate "Baking" mode, then you can try on "Basic with raisins".

Set size - M
Crust color - light coloured

ONLY THIS, otherwise it will fry

[Drew]

Drew, pure rye bread in Panasonic cannot be baked on the machine. Even if there is a "Rye" program, then the recipe contains wheat flour.

Good day to all members of the forum! If I ask a question in the wrong place, then I ask you to forgive me, or if someone accidentally knows where the answer is, please post a link!
So, HP PanasCD 2101 is about the fourth year for me, I use what is called "in the tail and in the mane", I am very happy, I went through almost all the recipes and then I got to the recipe "Moscow Bun". The dough turned out to be surprisingly liquid, like straight pancakes! Well, I am an experienced baker, I set the program "dough" and, adding flour, brought it to the desired consistency. But this is not the case, the dough came out, like for a Malanyin wedding, a breakthrough came out, took it to work, and the husband and mother-in-law treated their employees, and my daughter also dragged the rolls to the university. It's not a pity, it is very pleasant to treat people, but I would like to understand if this is a "joint" in the recipe or what? Maybe who knows?

[Ekuzznetsova]

Ekuzznetsova, yes, it’s a mowing recipe. For a long time already, somewhere in the beginning, they discussed it.

[Ekuzznetsova]

Ekuzznetsova, I don't know which recipe, but compare it with GOST and you can roughly see an error in the recipe that goes in the instructions. Correct, try baking ...
Buns "Moscow" (according to GOST)

PS: I found that conversation about the regime "Moscow bun" - conversation
Title error, translation costs

The CORRECT recipe name is "MOSCOW CUP "... This is a yeast cake.

Thank you very much for your prompt and informative answer, now it is clear, I will do it.

And I have such a story ... The second time I notice that my liquid splashes at the start of the batch, somehow very actively. After baking, I wipe off the burnt spots on the lid, and, what is most unpleasant, at the bottom of the bread machine, where the heating elements are. Both times I baked the smallest bread with 400 g of flour. What was it?

Irina, what proportion do you take? For 400 flour, 260 liquid? After you add nothing?
My stove is also stained inside, but due to the fact that after the start of the kneading I added something and it splashed.
By the way, I stove inside the soap a year and a half or two ago with a means for cleaning non-stick surfaces. It was great, now it was a bit "dirty" again.

My stove is also stained inside, but due to the fact that after the start of the kneading I added something and it splashed.

Oh they don't like these additions
To add something, I disconnect the stove from the network, add and cover the bucket with cling film (GASHA taught) so that it sags a little in the center, so that the splashes on the film flow down into the center of the bucket, and not onto its surface and shadows. I must put the film itself under the handle so that it lies well on all edges.
I turn the HP back into the network and when it intervenes with additives, then everything: both spray and dust, everything remains in the bucket.
Mixed up to clean - I remove the film, and everything further as always.

Be careful with washing inside.Strong agents can damage the upper protective layer of the flask coating and then the flask will "die" an unnatural "death", ahead of time. Elementary it can start to rust, because the moisture from the dough is in the oven.

Natasha, I'm not such a perfectionist. And I rarely add very much, especially after your bread has just begun to bake ...

No, I didn't add anything. Everything is standard, according to the recipe from the book. And I did it many times, but it started splashing only the last two times.
I wash everything with one water - a soft cloth. Gently soak and erase stains. I'm not rubbing to shine, I'm not a perfectionist either. I even wipe the bucket with a wet non-woven cloth. It seems to me that this is enough. Once I talked to a friend who has had Panasonic for a long time - she washes a bucket every time under the tap with detergent. Asked why? She says that the instructions say so. By the way, I haven't asked her for a long time how things are with the bread maker.

Ira, can you put the ingredients in a different way, differently than at first? What matters is flour heaped or flat, water at the beginning or at the end ...

[Waist]

Waist, hmm ... maybe ... At first it poured in a slide, and the water that was from above poured down. And now she decided that it was wrong, and she leveled the flour. These are miracles! It turns out that everything matters.

And I, on the contrary, specially after pouring the flour into a bucket, I knock on the table to even out the liquid, respectively, on top of everything dry, so that, God forbid, to wet my yeast ahead of time (I use dry ones). And everything is fine, it does not splash if I add nothing.

[marinastom]

marinastom, so I'm all in doubt about this. Because before that I had a rootless, but glorious oven, into which I had to first pour water, and then put dry ingredients. But I ... well, when how. In the sense, the water is always down, and everything else, as it develops - and yeast in water, and sugar, and salt. Then flour and butter. Everything was always normal. I think it doesn't really affect the process. Only here the water from above, I think, was conceived in Panasonic from the considerations that in this situation, a "putty" of dough is not formed immediately around the pin on which the blade spins. Here in my old x / n such a problem was. And it is not necessary to pour sugar on the bottom first, for the same reasons. If granulated sugar gets into the gap between the pin and the spatula, caramel forms there during baking, which, like epoxy, sticks tightly. The rest, I think, is not critical. Well, probably, salt and yeast shouldn't be met right away either. Although ... somewhere I met a recipe in which it was proposed to mix flour with salt and sugar, and crumble compressed yeast with my hands. I tried it - nothing critical happened, it came up perfectly.
So we have a lot of all sorts of myths, I think Not all are fair.

[Irina]

Irina, one of the myths that fresh yeast must be dissolved in water. I have a book by Bertine and he writes in it that he simply crumbles them a little into flour with his hands. She began to do so - it fits exactly the same as with those diluted in water.

Before Panas, I also poured water in Moulinex first, then everything else. And constantly the shovels in the bread got stuck, even there was a hook in the kit to take them out. Here, if it happens, it is extremely rare. By the way, if, suddenly, it gets stuck, then the sushi stick helps very well.

And I always pour water first. Only a couple of times I did as it was written in the instructions, but I did not like it.
And the last few times I poured fast-acting yeast along with sugar directly into the water, then butter, then flour and salt on top, so that it does not meet the yeast ahead of time. But I do this with fast-acting yeast only if I immediately start the program. Under delayed conditions, the activated fast acting yeast WILL OVERMEAT and lose its potency.

Well, probably, salt and yeast shouldn't be met right away either. Although ... somewhere I met a recipe in which it was proposed to mix flour with salt and sugar, and crumble compressed yeast with my hands. I tried it - nothing critical happened, it came up perfectly.

Here I think the proportion of yeast-sugar-salt depends a lot on the effect on the dough. I have a recipe where I add salt only after the first proofing, otherwise you need to double the yeast.
I use brown sugar, it dissolves quickly and completely in the liquid during the temperature stabilization.
The yeast starts to work earlier and is more mature by the time of baking, which has a positive effect on the taste.
I think that diluting yeast in sweetened water is an activation. If after baking the bread smells of yeast, then it is not ripe. In this case, they need to be activated / mixed with the sweet liquid earlier, for example, when adding ingredients.

[stick for sushi]

By the way, if, suddenly, it gets stuck, then stick for sushi helps very well.

Oh this magic wand ... wherever it does not help out

I also pour liquids first. It seems to me that it is easier for the stove to start mixing ...

Girls, please help. Today I bought a panasonic sd-2501 bread maker repaired - in technosil for half the cost. Now I am in frustration. I found a certificate of repair in the box. It turns out that the bread maker was not repaired and all the problems with which it was handed over to the service remained. And the problems are described as follows: the bowl is not fixed tightly to the bread maker and therefore, when kneading the dough, the bowl rumbles violently, walks with a shaker. Tell me, is the cup firmly fixed or can it be easily removed, inserted? Pivots back and forth freely? In my bread maker, the bowl really does not fix, I insert it into the grooves, turn it right, but it easily turns back. Very worried. In the store, they did not show me the act, but in the guarantee I signed that everything was explained to me, now they will not accept it back, since it is not new. (((

[Irina]

Irina, turned her bucket. Yes, it swings back and forth easily. Do not worry ahead of time, maybe everything is still fine.

[shouldn't]

The bucket turns easily back and forth. Insert the bucket into the groove and turn slightly clockwise until it stops. GET OUT now the bucket shouldn't... Pull the bowl up slightly. It must not be removed.
She can walk empty. After all, you should have started it when selling it and, having heard the roar, you would have asked a fair question.
Bake a test piece of bread on program 01 and see if it will move or not. Don't panic just yet.

[Ira]

Ira, do not worry ahead of time. If possible, shoot a short video, even on your phone. It is difficult to say in absentia if everything is normal with the stove.

My bucket staggers during kneading. I do not consider this a defect. There is no rumble with a normal soft kolobok. Now, if the bun is tight, then the bucket will rumble, "like a brick" inside, we have already described such cases.

Perhaps the first owner simply made the wrong first batch and immediately returned the stove as a marriage, but in fact everything is in order and the service did not find anything else to write in the repair act.

Our thoughts converge, Natasha!

[Katris]

KatrisThank you very much, you reassured me. It was just that in my old Supra the bucket did not spin so much, it sat firmly in place and it took an effort to turn it. So I got nervous after reading the act.

Wit, Thank you very much. Yes, when I pull up, the bucket does not come out. It walks empty to and fro. I'll check it tomorrow, I hope everything works out. I dreamed about this bread maker so much. In the store, the girl turned it on for me, I checked the buttons, they worked, they did not turn on the dough, I thought it was impossible to check the empty one and read that at first for about an hour the products in the oven are only infused, only then the kneading takes place, and the girl said, if something is wrong, I can hand over under warranty, six months warranty. In general, I bought a pig in a poke, as soon as possible tomorrow to check it.

Thank you very much, I won't get upset ahead of time now, I'll wait tomorrow, otherwise it's too late to turn it on.

[Waist]

Waist, Natasha, thank you very much. I got it. So, maybe everything is in order ... Just a wrong kolobok gives such an effect. I know that Panasonic is very quiet and was scared ahead of time. Tomorrow I'll check the bread maker, if something goes wrong, I'll shoot a video.

Thank you very much.I am so grateful to you all for your help and support.

[Ira]

Ira, I will wait for your reply tomorrow.
I checked the bucket of my HP - it jerks. There is a backlash in all possible directions
I already hope that you have no more than ours. Then it turns out that you bought a new stove for half the price

Our thoughts converge, Natasha!

We are all "smeared with bread makers alone"

Ira, I will wait for your answer tomorrow.
I checked the bucket of my HP - it jerks. There is a backlash in all possible directions
I already hope that you have no more than ours. Then it turns out that you bought a new stove for half the price

Natasha, I really hope for it too) I would rather tomorrow) You have raised my spirits so much))) I'll go choose a recipe or something)

I also think you were lucky and bought a good stove for half the price. Just a person handed over without understanding))) the bucket turns easily and moves a little - this is normal. Happy experiment !!!

[Natalika_1]

Natalika_1, Thank you very much for your support.

Girls, I'm reporting. I put bread on program 1, there really is a knock during kneading, but it is not as terrible as I imagined it. If not for you, I would now sit and worry. And so, now I know that everyone's bucket turns easily and when kneading, in my opinion, it is natural that the bowl moves a little, hence the knock. With the lid open, it is of medium volume, when it is closed it is hardly audible. I don’t know if the bucket should be tapping like this or not during the batch, but I’m happy. The knock does not irritate me or scare me that something is wrong with the bread maker. And all thanks to you, my dears. Thank you very much.

I insert the video, I apologize for the quality, I have an old camera. Please see if it should be this way or is it not normal? Thank you very much in advance.

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Irochka, I didn't notice or hear anything terrible. Normal batch, in my opinion. And a good video Show then some bread. Good? Good luck to you!

[Wit]

Wit, thank you very much. You have calmed me down. I will definitely show you the bread, I look forward to it. Thank you.

it seems to me it also knocks

Not at all, Ira. Listen and see how the new one works for 8.5 thousand (if my aunt is not lying). And don't really listen to her about coverage and other nonsense. Just watch how it kneads. There are no special differences with yours.


And here is your bread maker just out of the box, the first turn on.

[Marfusha5]

Marfusha5, Ira, I also think that everything is fine Uraaaa !!!

Will you show us some bread?

[Marfusha5]

Marfusha5, Irina, you can also try this: the bucket can be put on either side, but one of our men noticed that if you put the bucket on one side to the motor-front of the stove, it knocks less. I also noticed which side is "quiet" and marked it.

Good luck! Our Stove is great!

[Marfusha5]

Marfusha5 I put my x \ n on the floor. Therefore, you have to look for the most even place. And then I already danced once ...

Not at all, Ira. Listen and see how the new one works for 8.5 thousand (if my aunt is not lying). And don't listen to her very much about coverage and other nonsense. Just watch how it kneads. There are no special differences with yours.

Thank you. Indeed, woman 12 has a model taps too. Mine is a little louder, but I don't worry anymore. I'm happy)))))))))) I'm carrying a photo of bread)))

Marfusha5, Ira, I also think that everything is fine Uraaaa !!!

Natasha, everything is great !!! The bread turned out to be wonderful, the roof is in place, how delicious it is !!!
I should have worried yesterday, but without you I would have worried today, not knowing that everything is fine with the bread maker.

Will you show us some bread?

With pleasure))) It turned out not only beautiful, but also very tasty, crispy, as I like.)))

Marfusha5, Irina, you can try one more thing: the bucket can be put on either side, but one of our men noticed that if you put the bucket on one of the sides to the motor-front of the stove, it knocks less. I also noticed which side is "quiet" and marked it.

Irishik, thank you very much, I take a note. I'll mark one side and see if my one will knock less.

Marfusha5 I put my x \ n on the floor. Therefore, you have to look for the most even place. And then I already danced once ...

Valentine, thank you very much, I will experiment.

Bread was baked in 1 program, size L, medium crust.

Roof bread



The bottom of the bread, the stirrer remained in the bucket.



Bread himself





And the crumb (the child cut the bread while still hot while I was in the room))))



Thank you very much for your participation, for your help, for your support. What would I do without you? Thank you. I adore you all !!!

[Marfusha5]

Marfusha5, Irina! Bread is a lovely sight! Congratulations!

The beauty of bread!
And we were worried. Congratulations, Ira!
Successful bread to you in the future!

[Biryusa]

Biryusa, Olga, thank you very much.

Wit, thank you very much.) And really, in vain were worried.))) I was very lucky. How I wanted it for a long time and now I have it and bakes very tasty and beautiful bread. And knocking is a trifle, I won't even pay attention to it now)

What a big thank you to you for reassuring me and supporting me.

And knocking is a trifle, I won't even pay attention

My bucket also taps when I make the dough a little denser. And there is a backlash. Everyone has already written about it, so I decided to check in

My bucket also taps when I make the dough a little denser. And there is a backlash. Everyone has already written about it, so I decided to check in

Olga, thank you) So, this is a feature of this bread machine, more precisely, some copies. I shouldn't have worried.

Hello everybody! Take bakers into your friendly team I have already managed to get to know some of you, or rather to give a little mess of messages. My bread machine is 2511, well, I think it's not so important that they are almost the same. The bucket also knocks a little when kneading and backlash, and even during the first batch it creaked a little, the second time it didn't, maybe it got used, there are scuffs on the fasteners, is this how it should be ??
The bread turned out the first time, but I am a little confused by the amount of yeast in the recipes, as for me they are too much, the bread is very airy. In particular, the recipe "Rye flour bread" I want to try to bake a small loaf and put half a spoonful of yeast, and not a whole one, who tried that ??

[Marfusha5]

Marfusha5, Irisha, wonderful bread! Congratulations! Bake with pleasure !!!