Oven (oven). Consider, choose, discuss

[Louise]

Louise, I grill the yeast cakes and brown the meat / cutlets. I have not been using a purely grill for a long time due to the uselessness of such frying, it is also a pleasure to wash the top of the oven under the grill itself.

[svetta]

svetta, so I realized that for me this is a useless function ((

Are there ovens without a grill?

You also need a grill when you need to preheat the oven strongly. With a stone for bread, for example.

It turns out the grill is an unnecessary function and you can buy without it. But do you use automatic programs, do you need them?

[Anchic]

Anchic, Anna writes "I also heat the pan to pour water into it for steam.) And for the first 15 minutes I bake with lower heat and steam. After 15 minutes I take out the pan with the remaining water, lower the temperature from 220 to 180 and turn on the convection."
I am now considering options for ovens with a steam function, and then such manipulations for baking bread will disappear.

Does Bosch have steam or not?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, Lyudmila, yes, there is a Bosch HRG656XS1. It costs 1100 euros with us. We sell only one model with the Electrolux EOB98851AX steam function from Electrolux, but it costs 1450 euros. What a sadness! Something would be cheaper to find!

Yes, we also have Bosch not cheap, but you can buy it in installments and you will be happy with the purchase. Looked at this model that you wrote about. The description says steaming, is this the function of steam when baking or is it steaming food like in a double boiler? And I also wanted an oven with a microwave, 2 in 1, to save space in the kitchen. In this model, it seems like this is not?

I read you and decided to switch to an electric oven. Thank you girls for your experience

I have bosch hba23b1.

Could you please indicate your model more precisely. There should be a few more characters after the letter "B". There are many models starting with hba23b. I was interested in yours - the timer is good. And it turns off, and there is a delay.
Thank you!

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, Lyudmila, thanks for the advice! Steam vegetables and steam baked goods. This model does not have a microwave function. I have seen other models 2 in 1, with microwaves, but they are with small displacement, 36 and 40 liters. Maybe there are new models now? We will follow.

[Lera Dnipro]

Lera Dnipro, I found a model that suits me: HNG 6764B1. There is a microwave oven and a double boiler and pyrolytic cleaning and a volume of 67 liters. Can anyone have such a model, share your feedback.

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 07:41 PM

Lera Dnipro, I don't understand, but how does the oven steam vegetables? Do you need a special vessel with holes and all this inside is bathed in steam?

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 07:48 PM

Oh, and the price of this model turns out to be unbelievable, 156,000 rubles or 2,000 euros. Stunned! I counted on about 1000 euros. We'll have to look for another model. It's better to buy a microwave separately then.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, the instructions say HBA23B1.0R. I can't look at the oven, it has been built in for a long time. I looked on the Bosch website, it looks like my HBA23B150R - I have a stainless steel.

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 07:54 PM

I looked at the prices for it. Damn, we took it for 17 thousand, there were some other bonuses from buying a TV before that. And they caught on the discrepancy between the prices of Mvideo and they made us free delivery

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 7:55 PM

Ludmila, and if the oven will also play the role of a microwave, then where can you put it in storage?

[Anchic]

Anchic, Thank you. You won't see all the subtleties in the characteristics on the sites.
I will open the instructions. But thanks again for your tip.

I still have a question for all owners of electric ovens. Some Gorenje emphasize their advantage in the form of a removable grease filter on the fan. It sounds clear and tempting. But how is this issue resolved at Bosch or Electrolux?

[Anchic]

Anchic, probably, put the baking sheets in the closet. I looked at the prices and realized that it was unprofitable to take with a microwave. Because of this, the price immediately rises at times. It's easier to buy a microwave oven separately. But the steamer, I think, is the desired function.

Added Wednesday 24 Aug 2016 08:14 PM

Some Gorenje emphasize their advantage in the form of a removable grease filter on the fan. It sounds clear and tempting. But how is this issue resolved at Bosch or Electrolux?

Tanya-Fanya, I think in Bosch it is not necessary. There is also pyrolytic or catalytic cleaning, everything will clean by itself.

I was interested in yours - the timer is good. And it turns off, and there is a delay.

It seems like everyone has it. Except for the really lousy models. I have a fairly simple oven ten years ago, it is all there and I actively use it. )

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, about the pyrolytic is clear, everything will burn. Catalytic involves a special coating on the walls of the oven. I thought about the fan. A chicken or boiled pork without any packaging such as foil or sleeves will give a lot of greasy splashes.
Let's wait what experienced owners say ... Or maybe you shouldn't bother
Bijou-Lena, I will not argue. For several days I study ovens, rush between Bosh, Gorenje, Elektrolux, that is, average prices. I try not to look at AEG, Smeg, Neff, but it still pulls in their direction Not in any inexpensive oven there is a delay start, not even any timer turns off the oven - it beeps and waits for the hostess to come and turn it off.
I found explanations of Boshikov's articles on the Internet. In particular, "The digit in the fifth position is the type of display. For example, 3 is a display that can show the time and also has several timer functions."

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Bosch also have expensive models. I'm also thinking of taking a simpler model or with bells and whistles. Are Miele ovens good or not? There are Miele appliances at home - excellent. But I haven't heard any reviews about the ovens of this company.

[ludmila_27.79 - Lyudmila]

According to the responses of friends Miele - a chic oven. The only question is financial capabilities.

Higher you ludmila_27.79 - Lyudmila, wrote about the option of combining an oven and a microwave. If the purpose of the microwaves is to warm up food, then in expensive ovens there is a "quick heating" mode and then a microwave is not required. Or do you have some other goals ...

I thought about the fan. A chicken or boiled pork without any packaging such as foil or sleeves will give a lot of greasy splashes.

I had this filter on mine. I used it exactly once. Where now - I don't even presume to guess.))

Not every inexpensive oven has a delayed start, not even any timer turns off the oven - it beeps and waits for the hostess to come and turn it off

Yes? I have met this only in "antique type" ovens - there, for the sake of the design of electronic components, to a minimum, so the timer is ancient, penny, with a twist.

[Bijou-Lena]

Bijou-Lena, thanks, so I will not cycle and continue to select the oven further

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya,)) I don’t remember how he looks at Goreny, I need to refresh my memory. But in my Electrolux this is such a stamped plate, in which the holes are oriented downward so that the spray does not fly in a straight line onto the blades. It seems to be justified, but for some reason it seemed very uncomfortable to me.
She was walking. This is how it looks. He, too, then somehow needs to be washed, and I had some difficulties with this ...

Lena, thanks!
It is really removed and washed, you can in the dishwasher. Apparently, your fan does not get dirty, so there is no need for this part.

[Tanya-Fanya]

If the purpose of the microwaves is to warm up food, then in expensive ovens there is a "quick heating" mode and then a microwave is not required.

Tanya-Fanya, me just to warm up. And in which ovens are there such a function?

Bosh, Gorenie, AEG, Siemens, probably Miele too

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Thank you. I will continue to choose a model. Have you decided on a model yet?

I clearly know what I want! but financial possibilities do not allow :-)

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanyawhich firm and model? Maybe it will be interesting for me to consider this model too.

It is really removed and washed, you can in the dishwasher.

I have either aluminum or galvanized, I don't remember. But you can't wash it with alkaline products. And yes, then I probably didn't have any dishes yet.

As for "not getting dirty" - yes, of course. It just doesn't work for me. The blades are behind the grate, they don't jump into the eyes, there are usually baking sheets or pans in the cell and the light is off. That is, it is almost impossible to see brown specks on the fan from the outside, and they have no effect on work.)

here are the bells and whistles from Miele 🔗

Added Thursday, 25 Aug 2016 2:22 PM

they do not affect work in any way

that is, if today the fat from the chicken hit the fan, and tomorrow we bake a biscuit, then this fat does not smoke and does not clog the aroma of vanilla and biscuit with its smell?

Hmm .. Well, you, sir, you set tasks .. (c)
I never even thought about it! Yesterday there was a chicken, today there will be a fish pie. What do you think will backfire? I'll watch ...
Or is it just a biscuit that needs to be checked? With this an ambush, we eat only charlotte from biscuits, but even then no one eats, therefore I do not cook. I cook pies almost every day - I dispose of fruits in the freezer.)) Pies don't seem to interfere ...

Lena, don't bother. If it smoked or smelled, you would have noticed.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, Miele - cool ovens! Available with pyrolysis and convection with steam, volume 76 liters for 116,000 rubles. And what you gave the link above, there is an oven with a microwave, and not with a heating function. When choosing between Miele and Bosch, is Miele better? Are the steam convection function and the steamer function different?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, you asked what I dream about, I gave you a link.
I have not yet had either one or the other, so I will not undertake to compare.

[Bijou]

Regarding the splash filter - mine went to the same place as ours Bijou As I imagined that he needed to put on and take off (when baking a biscuit and similarities, it must be removed), then he ran away himself I see absolutely NO extra odors, I bake a lot, moreover, meat, and bread, and pastries on order. IMHO - just advertising show-off, nothing more than the Oven is four years old, Gorenie

[Scarlett]

Scarlett,
And then I already began to doubt my adequacy, they say, others need it, but I ignore it.

No, we are adequate ladies with you

By the way, some people mistakenly think that hot air is blown out through this grate, and since it must be very hot, if the oven is not just with a fan, but with a ring heater, then these blades will be very hot. But no, air from the chamber is sucked through this grate. And blown out through another place.)

And blown out through another place.)

Just like people!

Girls! You were not boringly persuaded, I no longer need protection from fat!

I don't need fat protection anymore!

why not needed? needed, only it seems to me that all convection fans have it ... Maybe, of course, I only came across Electrolux, I don't know, but they have this thing and I don't even take it off. Although I myself bake more gingerbread and biscuits, rather than meat, and meat mainly in baking bags.

[Tanya-Fanya]

What kind of oven I want found Bosch and Miele. Moreover, for the same price, both - 1700 euros. But I wanted it for 1000 euros. I will list what is important for me to be in the oven: built-in, large volume, pyrolysis, convection with steam, telescopic guides. So for 1000 euros, in order to buy it is necessary to give up either pyrolysis, or convection with steam, and then and then that it was already 1700. I don’t know what to prefer pyrolysis or convection with steam, or can I look for another company?

Added Saturday 27 Aug 2016 7:30 PM

Tanya-Fanya, you wrote above about fast warm-up.I read, this means, not heating food, but simply heating the oven faster. A bowl of soup in the oven, in any case, will heat up longer and more energy-intensive than in the microwave.

it is necessary to abandon either pyrolysis or convection with steam, and then and that it was already - 1700. I don't know what to prefer pyrolysis or convection with steam

for me, even such a question is not worth it - of course, convection with steam! Pyrolysis is just cleaning, my oven doesn't even get dirty, but steam opens up a lot of possibilities both in baking and in baking meat.

[Vei]

I think so too, but then what kind of cleaning should I choose? Maybe modern ovens don't get soiled as old ones. I have an old oven, so I can't wash it with anything, it's all covered in black soot. Vei, what kind of oven do you have and what kind of cleaning is there?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, have you studied Bosh seria 8? This is a computer, not an oven!
For pyrolysis, you need to provide for reinforced wiring. Pyrolysis gives such a high temperature that it is necessary to think over the thermal insulation of the adjacent cabinets. Although the furniture makers asked - they do not do this.
I'm also for steam!
And we talked about warming up, discussing the goals of the microwave.

Added Sunday 28 Aug 2016 10:10 PM

Vei, Thank you!
I asked why exactly Gorenja points out that they have this grease filter in their ovens, while other manufacturers keep silent. But fat flies for everyone- :)

In the Miele instructions it is written that you cannot stick the thermal insulation strips into the cabinet where the oven is built in. There should not only be a back wall of the cabinet for air circulation and that's it. That is, the manufacturer himself thinks over so that the furniture does not heat up during pyrolysis. But I'm still wondering if the oven is with pyrolysis, then its rear and side walls are ordinary, without any catalytic coating?

But I'm still wondering if the oven is with pyrolysis, then its rear and side walls are ordinary, without any catalytic coating?

Why are they there? These are completely different cleaning methods and do not overlap with each other.

You don't have to bother with steam cleaning at all - this is pure marketing and nothing more. You can put a baking sheet with water and turn on the heating in absolutely any device.

Modern quick-cleaning enamel is, in principle, well washed - you can rub it with steel wool pads or clean it with a scraper, not to mention the aggressive alkaline chemistry that perfectly eats away burnt fat. But this is strength and time. And you need to make sure that the product does not fall on anything other than the enamel itself, otherwise you can find corroded and peeling surfaces.

I did not use catalysis, reviews are different - someone is happy, someone is not very good, someone complained about the smell ... Well, the bottom with grates will still have to be washed by hand.

Pyrolysis ... I have not heard any dissatisfied reviews.)) Well, if you don't like it, don't turn it on. The main rule is to turn it on regularly, avoiding the accumulation of a large amount of dirt, otherwise the amber will be creepy.

Which one to prefer, easy cleaning or advanced cooking is everyone's choice. Probably, personally, I would also prefer with steam ... But only if the steam is normal there, and not just a puddle at the bottom of the oven, I will organize it with improvised means.))

[Bijou]

Bijou, thanks for the detailed description of the cleaning systems. What kind of oven cleaning do you have?

[ludmila_27.79]

ludmila_27.79, none.
I have a very simple and very convenient at the same time an old oven, to which I have no complaints at all. Well, except that steam injection for baking bread is a little lacking, there is so much of it where there is none.))

the old one also has a Teka firm, it bakes normally, there are no complaints. But the problem with cleaning is already all black, I don't know how to wash it. Can you tell me how you can clean the oven, just with something not very expensive or folk remedy. And that's why you want a new oven with bells and whistles (steam and pyrolysis), because there is an ordinary oven, and not so completely old, there is a grill and convection.

Pyrolysis gives such a high temperature that it is necessary to think over the thermal insulation of the adjacent cabinets.

I have an oven with NEFF pyrolysis, no extra. the adjacent cabinet has no thermal insulation, it has been operating since 2009, the furniture is intact