Lazy
Quote: Uncle Sam

Used (for the sake of experiment) "rye" spatula when baking wheat bread. The quality of the bread was not affected. But the drive wears out and loosens the bucket mount.
IMHO: rye dough is thinner and easily passes between the teeth of the comb; thick wheat dough is not capable of such "feats".
Thick wheat dough is not the right word. I started dough for dumplings at the weekend - so this is definitely thick. It was hard to interfere, which was confirmed at the end of the batch by the smell of rubbing metal and rubber from the inside (probably a rubber belt).
Rina
Ageika, these are the properties of rye flour. If you do not help with a spatula, then almost certainly fragments of unmixed flour will remain (therefore, I almost never leave wheat-rye bread to its fate, at least at the kneading stage I definitely control the situation).

Regarding overloading the engine, I would not recommend kneading really cool dumplings / noodles. I suspect that it was because of a couple of such overloads that I had problems with the stove (it's good that I only had to change the capacitor). Even kneading the dough a little steeper than bread dough, and rolling the dough ball on a board with flour for several minutes with your hands until the dough of the desired density is obtained - it will not take much time and effort. And in this case, the stove will already do at least 2/3 of the work.
Nitrat
I chose the Bread with additives (raisins) mode. An hour later, a signal sounded - opened the lid, added raisins. So? The instruction says to press the Start button. But it doesn't work! A long press turns it off altogether and you have to start all over again! What is it - a glitch or is it intended?
Penelopa55
No glitch. Perhaps a mistake has crept into your instructions? You do not need to press the Start button at the stage of adding ingredients. The oven will continue to operate by itself
Nitrat
How does it continue if it blinks and does not continue?
Giraffe
And what is your bread machine?
Nitrat
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Giraffe
As I understand it, Panasonic. Better, when you want to get advice, just write a model. Better yet, indicate this in your profile. I have a Panasonic-2500. At the signal, the necessary ingredients are added and the stove pauses. Then he continues the program. You don't need to press anything. You have already done everything by clicking the "Start" button at the very beginning.
Nitrat
Yes, Panasonic, is this a special section about Panasonic?
How long to wait before continuing the program?
Taia
The signal peaks for raisin addition. In this case, the display shows the rise. You press the start button 1 time. At the same time, the stove continues to rise. Then, AFTER A SOME TIME, the kneading continues and then does everything in order.
Nitrat
It shows a countdown on the display until the raisins are added. About hour 15. Then it ticks and that's it. Silence.
Taia
The first time I also had exactly the same situation, I did not understand what was what, I pressed the button many times, and then I could not understand what was happening on the display at all. As a result, garbage was baked.
Now I would do this: what is in the bucket would be kneaded on the pizza program. I would give the dough in the bucket a distance, and then turn on the baking. : pardon
Well, in the future you will already know what's what.
Nitrat
But this is a madhouse, agree?
It is necessary to contact the representative office.
Taia
You are not right. This is our mistake, inattention.
Nitrat
What kind of inattention are we talking about if neither the instructions help, nor the bread maker itself works as it should?
Giraffe
In mine, except for the start, I do not press anything else. When necessary, she continues the program herself.
julia240467
Please tell me, can you check the Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS by the same principle? I buy as a gift and want to avoid problems later. Thank you!
] How to check a Panasonic bread maker before buying? [/ B]

Ask to turn on the bread maker: zeros will appear on the screen. Press the "program" button several times (for 255/257 models eight times) until the pointer on the screen is opposite "pizza", press "start / stop" - the stove should immediately start mixing. The stirrer will spin jerky - this is normal.

To stop the program, press "start / stop" and hold until it beeps and the screen is cleared. Take out the bucket. Now (there is nothing on the screen, it is empty!) Press the "program" button again before selecting "baking" (9 times), press "start / stop", bring your hand to the shade and check that it starts to warm up. Turn it off again by pressing and holding "start / stop".

Now you can check all the buttons:
1. press "program" 1 time - different icons and numbers will appear on the screen 4:00
2. press the "mode" several times, the icons in the form of loaves, croissants and the inscriptions "bake", "rapid", etc. should start flashing alternately (simple baked goods, with fillings, fast, dough ...).
3. "size" - the pointer should jump over X, L, XL
4. "crust" - similar to "size", markers near the inscriptions "light * dark" (mark opposite the asterisk - middle crust).
5. "timer" - 10 minutes will be added to the baking time indicated on the display.
6. Press "start / stop" - the stove turns on to execute the program. And turn it off again by pressing and holding the "start / stop" for a couple of seconds until the squeak and the screen goes out.
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Rina
As far as I know, later models have the same operating principle. But I don't know under what number (the programs are numbered in the same place, unlike the previous models) "pizza" and "pastries" are hiding. You will check, do not be too lazy to open the instructions and find the setting of these particular programs.
julia240467
Rina, thank you very much for the advice, you have just a storehouse of information here!
Lagri
Quote: julia240467

Please tell me, can you check the Panasonic SD-ZB2502BTS by the same principle?
] How to check a Panasonic bread maker before buying? [/ B]
Ask to turn on the bread maker: zeros will appear on the screen.
More precisely, 01 will appear on the bottom right on the screen.
Quote: julia240467
Press the "program" button several times (on 255/257 models eight times) until the pointer on the screen is opposite "pizza",
Press the Menu button and stop on program 20, this is Pizza, and you will not see the word Pizza.
Rina
on older models the words "pizza", "rye", "basic" are printed on the screen frame.
Linabro
Hello! Today I bought a Panasonic 2500.
Why can't I put the dough (and quick bread) on the timer? I didn't expect it. When I come home from work, I need just the raised dough. Maybe there are some combinations, ideas, advice?
And one more thing: in the instructions in the description of the programs, the duration of the mixing stage is indicated, and next to it is * 3, which means "the timer can be used only in the 2501 model". What does this mean? How is the timer used or not used during the mixing phase?
Deep
Quote: Linabro

Hello! Today I bought a Panasonic 2500.
Why can't I put the dough (and quick bread) on the timer? I didn't expect it. When I come home from work, I need just the raised dough. Maybe there are some combinations, ideas, advice?
I agree, this is not very convenient. But luckily there is a "pizza" timer. True, there are no wrinkles, so the delay is fraught with the dough creeping out of the bucket)
Alternatively, you can use any bread setting for delaying kneading, but calculate the time so that you can turn it off just before baking.
Quote: Linabro

And one more thing: in the instructions in the description of the programs, the duration of the mixing stage is indicated, and next to it is * 3, which means "the timer can only be used in model 2501". What does this mean? How is the timer used or not used during the mixing phase?
This means that for the 2500 the delay for these modes is impractical.Note that * 3 is for raisin modes. And since raisins at 2500 need to be thrown at a signal, it means that your presence is necessary - that is, the timer seems to be illogical)
And in 2501 raisins throws a dispenser -> your presence is optional -> the timer is logical.
Rina
Why do you need a respite for quick bread? If you already have time, then you need to rely on the main program. Fast for that and fast, which is used in emergency situations. By the way, I often do not recommend baking and eating such bread - after all, the dough takes time to go through all the necessary ripening stages. And quick bread does not have time to pass them, and may turn out to be harmful to our body.

If you need a risen dough in a few hours, I can advise you to knead the dough on the same "pizza" in the morning, take it out, put it in a bowl or saucepan and refrigerate it for "cold fermentation" (there is such a technique).
Linabro
Quote: Deep

This means that for the 2500 the delay for these modes is impractical. Note that * 3 is for raisin modes.
Not on the main, and on the dietary, but almost all!

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If you need a risen dough in a few hours, I can advise you to knead the dough on the same "pizza" in the morning, take it out, put it in a bowl or saucepan and refrigerate it for "cold fermentation" (there is such a technique).
But this is so unpredictable ...
Creamy
Linabro, you will buy a stove and scales and a silicone spatula today. And in the evening, put your main wheat bread on program 1. dry yeast can be replaced with fresh yeast at the rate of 1.5-2 grams for every 100 grams of flour. and now go to bed, great things await you during the day
Linabro
Quote: Creamy

Linabro, you will buy a stove and scales and a silicone spatula today. And in the evening, put your main wheat bread on program 1. dry yeast can be replaced with fresh yeast at the rate of 1.5-2 grams for every 100 grams of flour. and now go to bed, great things await you during the day
Good night to you too! I’ve already bought the stove, and I’m asking not at all because I’m running, stumbling to bake my first bread, but precisely because I already have experience and know what exactly I need. Will you answer?
Deep
Quote: Linabro

Not on the main, and on the dietary, but almost all!
On modes without raisins, a timer is available. Try to set the timer yourself, for example, on the first program.
Rina
Quote: Linabro

But this is so unpredictable ...
look on the forum "unforgettable Khrushchev dough", read about it. Just one that is kneaded and then fermented in the refrigerator.
Linabro
Quote: Rina

look on the forum "unforgettable Khrushchev dough", read about it. Just one that is kneaded and then fermented in the refrigerator.
Thanks, I will take a look.
Quote: Deep

On modes without raisins, a timer is available. Try to set the timer yourself, for example, on the first program.
The "timer" option exists there, I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about footnote # 3 near the batch time. Its meaning is not clear to me.
Deep
Quote: Linabro

The "timer" option exists there, I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about footnote # 3 near the batch time. Its meaning is not clear to me.

To understand the meaning, you need to refer to the original source, in this case - to the original version of the instructions.

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Raisin is a raisin.
Linabro
Ira, thank you for getting to the bottom of the truth! So that's the thing! There is an error in my instructions, * 3 I have it where in the original * 4. Now everything fell into place. Once again, Ira, thanks for finding the error.
Linabro
Quote: Rina

Why do you need a respite for quick bread? If you already have time, then you need to rely on the main program. Fast for that and fast, which is used in emergency situations. By the way, I often do not recommend baking and eating such bread - after all, the dough takes time to go through all the necessary ripening stages. And quick bread does not have time to pass them, and may turn out to be harmful to our body.

I thought of everything, you are right.
Vanya28
Quote: Linabro

I thought of everything, you are right.

And where, where are the photographs of the bread?
Show your successes, don't hide!
Linabro
Quote: Rina

look on the forum "unforgettable Khrushchev dough", read about it. Just one that is kneaded and then fermented in the refrigerator.
I read it, but it doesn't suit me - too much fat. Yes, and I need to bake fairly simple buns of delayed dough. Well, that's very nada ...: girl_cray: So that I come back from work, and I have dough on the way, and I'll put it in the oven, that's all. Thanks everyone. I will adapt. But it's a shame that there was such an option in Klatronic, but in Panasonic it is not. And sho cost them?
Linabro
Quote: Vanya28

And where, where are the photographs of the bread?
Show your successes, don't hide!

Van, well, not to reproach you, honestly, but the bread maker turned out to be too small for us. The family is still rather big. They eat it. But everything is very standard for me: the roof is convex, smooth, the structure is porous, medium holes, crust, shape - everything is standard. There are plenty of such photos on the forum. Yes, and this is not my first experience, I have nothing to be proud of. But the children are delicious. They had already quarreled over the fact that the youngest gave her piece to only one of the brothers, and the rest had to finish their dinner with factory pits.
Linabro
Quote: Deep

I agree, this is not very convenient. But luckily there is a "pizza" timer. True, there are no wrinkles, so the delay is fraught with the dough creeping out of the bucket)
In-in ... It got away from me on Friday. Of course, I caught up and locked it in the oven, but still ...
Deep
Quote: Linabro

In-in ... It got away from me on Friday. Of course, I caught up and locked it in the oven, but still ...
) Sometimes this happens to me.
You can also knead in the French mode (at 2500 - the seventh program), but calculate your time so that you have time to turn off the program before baking. For example, you need the dough in 8 hours. Put on "French bread" plus a 4 hour grace period. Come back in 8 hours - turn off the program. Even if you are 1 hour late, baking will not start yet. And if you come an hour earlier, the dough will still be proofed for a long time. But if you are 2 hours late, you will have time for a fragrant freshly baked bread)
Vanya28
Quote: Deep

) Sometimes this happens to me.
You can also knead in the French mode (at 2500 - the seventh program), but calculate your time so that you have time to turn off the program before baking. For example, you need the dough in 8 hours. Put on "French bread" plus a 4 hour grace period. Come back in 8 hours - turn off program. Even if you are 1 hour late, baking will not start yet. And if you come an hour earlier, the dough will still be proofed for a long time. But if you are 2 hours late - just have time for a fragrant freshly baked bread)

Disconnecting is easy and inexpensive, for about 230 rubles, with an additional external timer for 24 hours and not really rush home for this for the test.
It still doesn't hurt to cut an extra ring on top of a thin metal bucket and cover the gap above the heaters just in case the dough escapes.


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Quote: Rina

How do I test my Panasonic Bread Maker before I buy it?

Ask to turn on the bread maker: zeros will appear on the screen. Press the "program" button several times (for 255/257 models eight times) until the pointer on the screen is opposite "pizza", press "start / stop" - the stove should immediately start mixing. The stirrer will spin jerky - this is normal.

To stop the program, press "start / stop" and hold until it beeps and the screen is cleared. Take out the bucket. Now (there is nothing on the screen, it is empty!) Press the "program" button again before selecting "baking" (9 times), press "start / stop", bring your hand to the shade and check that it starts to warm up. Turn it off again by pressing and holding "start / stop".

Now you can check all the buttons:
1. press "program" 1 time - different icons and numbers will appear on the screen 4:00
2. press the "mode" several times, the icons in the form of loaves, croissants and the inscriptions "bake", "rapid", etc. should start flashing alternately (simple baked goods, with fillings, fast, dough ...).
3."size" - the pointer should jump over X, L, XL
4. "crust" - similar to "size", markers near the inscriptions "light * dark" (mark opposite the asterisk - middle crust).
5. "timer" - 10 minutes will be added to the baking time indicated on the display.
6. Press "start / stop" - the stove turns on to execute the program. And turn it off again by pressing and holding the "start / stop" for a couple of seconds until the squeak and the screen goes out.
For 2502, turn on the stove, use the menu button to select program 20 (Pizza dough) and press "Start", the stove will start kneading (but not immediately but after 3 seconds) on the panel, the operation indicator should stand under the inscription “Mix”. To stop the program, press the "Stop" button. (The number of the canceled program will remain on the screen) Remove the bucket and press the "Menu" button to select program 12 (baking) and press "Start" - the progress bar is in the "baking" position
1. select program 1 with the "Menu" button on the screen, the size indicator is in position XL program 01 time 4.00 crust color medium
otherwise everything is the same (only timer buttons 2 plus and minus)
Margaret
Hello! I live abroad, yesterday my husband fulfilled his dream and bought a bread maker. Came on an Internet from England. I downloaded your instructions in Russian, started reading a book that was with a stove and here you are, the programs do not match in numbers, and there is no recipe and programs for dumplings at all. What to do, advise, because because of this test I wanted to buy! Very upset !!!!!!
sazalexter
Margaret Knead on Pizza, as an option, sell and buy "Russian" Panasonic SD-2501WTS
Rina
Margaret, first: not, but

You have a good husband!

This is actually the case with programs - there are no several types of bread in stoves for the CIS (sandwich, Italian and something else), and in European ones there are no dumplings.

By the way, if I change the stove, I will again switch to Panasonic and would like the European model (and what if it works out)

With the dough for dumplings, you simply act - knead it on the pizza for about 15 minutes, then reset the program and start again for 10 minutes. This is so that the oven does not have time to start heating the dough.

But there is a serious point (even for the program "dough for dumplings") - do not knead too tough dough! I even overloaded the stove on the "dumplings" when I kneaded the noodle dough in a "rolling" consistency - it's too cool! In general, knead the bun a little denser than the bread, and then mix the flour with your hands. All the same, the stove will do 2/3 of the work.
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Sash, "Well, where did they get mint there? I saw that Italy - boots with boots!" (c) "Formula of love"
Is there a stove already, because of one program to look for another? And even abroad?
Margaret
Thank you for answering right away, I'll try it on pizza. And you are right about the European one - the plus is that there are sooooo many recipes! And very interesting!
Lagri
Quote: Rina

But there is a serious point (even for the program "dough for dumplings") - do not knead too tough dough! I even overloaded the stove on the "dumplings" when I kneaded the noodle dough in a "rolling" consistency - it's too cool! In general, knead the bun a little denser than the bread, and then mix the flour with your hands. Anyway, the stove will do 2/3 of the work.
Yes, Rina, absolutely right, even more, if there is a harvester or some other unit, then it is better to let him knead the dumplings dough. From my own experience, I was convinced how the x / stove slowed down, the mixer was standing, and the stove was working hysterically (and I tried to knead this 3 times: first the usual, and then less cool) - I don't do this anymore, I really feel sorry for her. I learned how to save the bucket, but the x / oven itself, only in this way, that is, not to knead the tough dough in it at all. It is better to let it knead the bread dough for a long time and bake.
daycof
Good day everyone! Dear members of the forum, please tell me, the Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread maker worked fine for half a year, then the bread began to rise poorly, I noticed that during the ascent, the spatula turned a couple of times and the dough settled. This is normal? Or is it a program crash? The warranty workshop said that this is normal, but the instructions in the section "operating modes" do not say anything about this.
Elena Bo
This is a wrinkle. It should be so. If the bread does not rise well, change the yeast and flour. Both may be the cause.
daycof
Thank you! We will try.
fok
Dear bakers, please help me find a description of the programs of the Panasonic SD-2500 bread machine. I would like to know how long it takes to stand, knead, rise and bake.Thank you.
Katerina2
fok, it has everything the same as the 2501, only there is no dispenser. Right now I will make a scan and send

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