Choosing a slow cooker, rice cooker (1)

[The long-awaited flour of choice began: not between two models of the same brand, but between multicooker from different manufacturers, of different sizes, of different designs. I propose to conduct all conversations on this topic here. Rina72]

The long-awaited flour of choice began: not between two models of the same brand, but between multicooker from different manufacturers, of different sizes, of different designs. I propose to conduct all conversations on this topic here.
Rina72
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[mechanically]

On the question of the timer for the rice cooker.
The simplest rice cooker turns on mechanically in the case when there is at least some load of the saucepan, i.e. when there is sufficient pressure on the heating element. Even with the rice cooker turned off from the socket, you can press the button in the "cook" mode. Thus, an external timer (electronic or mechanical) can be used, in which it can be set to turn on and off at a specific time.

In the case of a rice cooker with an electronic control (multicooker), the timer can also serve a certain purpose - at least turn off the "heating" mode, which most automatic multicooker switches to at the end of the cooking programs.

[anna dawidowa-]

and this is what I found, #

just not really figured out, there is no time, two children, the youngest is 1.5 months.
what do you think is worth taking ???? the price is about 100 euros.

anna dawidowa- that's how the face is very similar to mine. Compare - one face





Multi - Cook (from google translator)
Ideal for automatic cooking of rice
NEW with additional cooking function: soups and stews, baby food, cereals, yoghurts, pasta, steamed vegetables, fish and meat
NEW baking: cakes and pasta
Healthy cooking: For natural ingredients, minerals and vitamins.
NEW: Control program with 6 programs
Shutdown and heating function
Timer 15 hours
Non-stick interior
Volume 1.8 l / 640 W
NEW: Logic - LCD
Accessories included: steamer, ladle, spoon, measuring cup of rice quantity
Includes recipe ideas
Technical Details
Amount 42525
Dimensions: W x D x H: 244 x 324 x 203 mm
Volume: 3 liters
Power: 220/230 V - 50 Hz, 640 W
Weight: 3.2kg
PU: 4 pcs
Service
User manual

detailed instruction in pdf files, I do not know how to translate. But, if you know the language ... A little confused by the discrepancy in volume - 1.8 and 3 liters. Most likely jambs in translations. The pan there is very good (better than in Panasonic), you can see in the photo on your link. You can also see that the lid is removable - easy to clean.

Mine in Kiev cost $ 180 a year ago. e. And now the same. I'm glad. But I have a volume of 5 liters.

[anna dawidowa]

anna dawidowa 🔗
This is all good, of course, only this technique is essentially a slowcooker. Cooking time does not decrease.
With two kids, the hostess needs a pressure cooker or Cook more, my IMHO of course
The price of 600 euros is certainly high, but it will pay off. There will be more free time.
Saving electricity again. You can calculate yourself using the example of jellied meat 1.5h * 1400W = 2100W for Kuku or 6h * 640W = 3840W for a simple cartoon

[anna dawidowa]

anna dawidowa 🔗

With two kids, the hostess needs a pressure cooker or Cook more, my IMHO of course
The price of 600 euros is certainly high, but it will pay off.

sazalexter, Sanya! Fear God! 600 euros for a pressure cooker! Children do not need jellied meat, but a saucepan that cooks porridge and soup. Namely, a rice cooker. Deushki, listen to your mother!

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Sanya! Fear God! 600 euros for a pressure cooker! Children do not need jellied meat, but a saucepan that cooks porridge and soup. Namely, a rice cooker. Deushki, listen to your mother!

+1, and it is not yet fully known that slow cooked food without pressure or fast with pressure is more useful. It is not natural, in my opinion, to cook under pressure. I bought my pressure cooker and now it is completely new with dust.

These two rice cookers are from the same factory and Yumi and your Multi - Cook. The link to the manufacturer in China was given somewhere. Irr has a very decent rice cooker, for 100 euros very much

[Gypsy]

and I thought Gastrobak was a German cartoon!

we all thought so too, while we Gypsy did not enlighten. All multi - Chinese bottled. And is it good that the Germans understand porridge? In sausage - yes! And in rice - China and Japan Forever.

... and you didn’t make milk porridge ??? and there is a delay function ???

Stewed milk porridge. A timer - yes, you have it, you also write it for 15 hours.

[DOES NOT BURN,]

DIRR, do you burn? I don't have. I have a thick titanium coated pan.

Mnu in YUMMI also has a thick one with a titanium coating - no, it does not burn, and a rice cooker with a pan, like a Panasonic, does not either. DOES NOT BURN, People! Can everyone hear?

How to say ... For the price of a mid-range refrigerator Or a good vacuum cleaner, or an average TV, everything is relative...[/

This is understandable, but to pay for the Cuckoo CMC-HE1054F NEW 19990 rubles - while not using some of the functions it is expensive. Of course, if you add up the cost of a bread maker + a multicooker + a pressure cooker, then it will come out!

[Anna Koshka]

Anna Koshka There is no bread maker, there is a multicooker, a pressure cooker, a slowcooker, a double boiler, a wok-type frying pan. and oven mode

I have to choose * by myself * - I have a slow cooker + slow cooker - 250 cu. e. A full-fledged oven will not replace anything, even a golden KUKU. How to squeeze a baking sheet of pies there, tell me? I also have an oven - only 35 cu. e. FSE. And the cover for KUKU is a pipe for all devices! Simultaneously.

I have to choose * by myself * - I have a slow cooker + slow cooker - 250 cu. e. A full-fledged oven will not replace anything, even a golden KUKU. How to squeeze a baking sheet of pies there, tell me? I also have an oven - only 35 cu. e. FSE. And the cover for KUKU is a pipe for all devices! Simultaneously.

My oven is 26 cu. e + rice cooker 100 cu e + slow cooker 20 cu e = 146 y. e.
Madam, your card is a bit

Yes, this is correct! I also bake pies in the oven. I've been in the MV to bake manna, but it's more usual in the oven, and I'm doing everything in large portions at a time, and you'll have to bake MV 2 times.

while my supra suits me, if she really won't cope, then maybe I'll think about a second MV with great opportunities

I have two cuckoos, we are from the same city, if you are interested, write, I can show you clearly. I have not had an oven for several years, nor have I had a stove. I cope. I cook food every day and cook a lot - we just won't eat it, I cook in small portions, on the second day we usually don't finish. I bake in cuckoos and AG, occasionally I use microwave for baking. Good luck.

[Panasonic SR-TMH10ATW and Supra MCS-4511?]

I read about MB here, so I chose these two.
Panasonic SR-TMH10ATW and Supra MCS-4511?
In Panasonic, I read that the bucket cover quickly deteriorates there, but there is no such thing about the supra anywhere (but on the other hand, maybe this is simply because the owners of this manufacturer are few so far and he is not so well known as Panasonic). By the way, the difference in price they have is about 700-800 rubles, naturally Panasonic is more expensive, but again, should I take it considering what kind of bucket he has (but again, little is known about the supra).
In general, I will be grateful if you can decide for me already.

Gubki If already Panasonic then take the 18th model, you will not go wrong.
There are a lot of recipes and tips on Panasonic! What you won't find on Supra.
Yes, and this Chinese noname loves to "throw" users, it may turn out that in a couple of years you will not find a saucepan on it, nor will there be any service.
At Panasonic, the restoration of pots in Sibovray is already in full swing, new alternative Russian pots are about to start making
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I take it for myself alone, why do I need this bucket of 18 with features that I will not use ... I bought myself HP for 1000g, and I still cooked bread for only 500 grams maximum. Therefore, if Panas, then only 10 ... the very thing ... I eat 50 grams of dry cereals for breakfast, I always cook at one time ...I have different breakfasts and lunches every day.
All the same, Panas, not supra? Yes? But I read something just on this site in one topic about Panas, how are there any problems with the display ... some dots appear.

[Gubki]

Gubki, it is correct that you need a small rice cooker. I also had a question about the sizes, since I + 2 small children and we needed to cook a maximum of a glass of cereal (according to the instructions for a large Panasonic, the minimum volume of cereal is 2 measuring cups, i.e. 320-360 ml). And for that, I bought a small, simple rice cooker. And soups for children (I don't eat soups myself), and all the cereals, and stew - in a small two-mode rice cooker. I don't know all your conditions. Maybe you should pay attention to such a device? Moreover, as it turns out, Sibovar is next to you and you can handle any saucepan (even making it washable in PMM is my dream).

Take Panasonic (there are official services).
The last statement that porridge cooks better in a large mullet is true for larger volumes than 160 ml (measuring cup).

[Gubki]

Gubki Plus, there will still be spare bowls produced by Sibovar, at an affordable price
And for other multicooker this question remains open.

I will throw out my rice cooker-slow cooker for 50 bucks in a year as morally obsolete and buy a new one no worse, and a Panasonic with b. at. cups can be used until the end of the century, which, of course, will be inherited by children. Like a relic

py. sy. about the bowls - so far the question of restoration was raised only among Panasonic. Either there are more of them, or they are less reliable, there is reason to think.
In the supra, a better saucepan will be

[new pans]

py. sy. about the bowls - so far the question of restoration has been raised only among Panasonic. Either there are more of them, or they are less reliable, there is reason to think.

It's not your truth!

Any pots can be sent for recovery (even an old frying pan). The only question is that the company in Tomsk is a bit far away.

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And for the 18th Panasonic they are planning in the near future + sale new pans with improved coverage. These pots can even be placed under the grill (like after cooking the crust can be quickly depicted)

I thought about the cartoon, saw the weight ... read it and somehow changed my mind ...
did not understand, to be honest, is it worth the candle? maybe it’s better to take Panas ..... and here’s demay, for a family of 5 people, for good, we need a big cartoon, 4.5 liters, but .... only two maximum three eat porridge, of course there are soups , but then again, everyone loves something fresh and not warmed up, and even then, often at home there are only a maximum of two or three .... can take a small one for 2.5?

advise as professionals in this matter

My first MV is Panasonic. I am completely satisfied with her. But there was a problem: it is very convenient to use it, it is constantly in use, but one is not enough - an assistant is needed. It is desirable that there was more.
Of the CFs we have presented, the largest in terms of volume that I have come across was Ves. Actually, its volume and almost half the price of Panasonic seduced me.
Now from my short experience with MV Ves: it overheats much more than Panasonic. The oven will definitely be in the second (there is no particular time and desire to experiment now). Ves, due to its volume, will be used for what is cooked in large quantities - first courses, stews, stews and stews in various variations. Perhaps broths and jellied meat (I rarely cook, put it overnight. But at night, as a rule, Panasonic also turns out to be involved).
The only plus in comparison with Panasonic, besides the price, is a better coating of the saucepan. The temperature regime and cooking are nothing special, you need to adapt strongly (after the already developed automatism with Panasonic).

Now I read Temki about cooking in Kuku - I like them very much. I just don't know how big they are. If you do not mind spending so much money on it - it is better to buy with a pressure cooker function (i.e., pressure cooking) - time is saved well, i.e.an option just for the busy (come running in the evening from work and cook a quick dinner).
If you do not want to spend a large amount - look at Temki about MV DEX. The reviews are also very good. But I saw this MV in the Metro - they are small for our family

Conclusion: Weight saves me precisely with its volume and only in the role of the second MV. As the first and the main one, I would take another. Or depending on what you are going to cook in it. For example, almost every day I cook porridge in MV, completely different. But for such a volume and under such conditions as you write (2 or 3 people eat) - it will be very large.

[extinguishing]

In my slow cooker, first on the prog extinguishing boils actively, and then languishes a little, does this mean that I have a microprocessor? By the way, in slow cookers, this also happens sometimes, Hairpin noticed, I confirm. And they finally can not be push-button, but with a mechanical switch. Here is the mystery of nature

And on which programs, if you keep the lid open for a long time, will the cooking time increase? This is already some kind of brain? a timer, even an electric one cannot do that.

What to choose, panas or cuco0821?
1 ratio of possibilities
2 cooking time
3 ease of use
4 instrument quality
interesting functions: porridge, baking, pilaf, stewing
the more information I read, the more difficult it will be

[tat-63,]

tat-63, if finances allow and the choice is only between these two saucepans, then take a cuckoo. Panasonic is not perfect - a weak coating of a saucepan, a certain limited functionality. In current conditions, the price / quality ratio throws Panasonic from the leaders somewhere in the middle of the multicooker rating. For example, in Ukraine there is already a replacement (albeit not so "famous") with better coverage, functionality and design, and the price is significantly lower.

In beta testing, this is inevitable. So I say that it is better to buy Panasonic and not "to invent a bicycle" cook yummy, since there are a lot of recipes for it!

Well, what are the myths about proven recipes again! Yes, each hostess has her own proven recipes, and invents them every day! (There are probably exceptions, but such obviously do not hang out on the culinary forum). Anything can be cooked in any electric saucepan, the main thing is to know at least a little technique, and for this there are instructions and the Internet

In beta testing, this is inevitable. So I say that it is better to buy Panasonic and not "to invent a bicycle" cook yummy, since there are a lot of recipes for it!

I'm talking about the fact that Panasonic is far from perfect. Even I have some complaints about him, although I also cook in a regular rice cooker for two modes. At the current price, the quality and functionality of Panas should be noticeably better.

And any recipe from a cookbook or mom's notebook can be adapted to saucepans. The main thing is to approach business smartly, creatively, and with hands growing from the appropriate place. It is a person who cooks, not a saucepan.

Well, what are the myths about proven recipes again! Yes, each hostess has her own proven recipes, and invents them every day! (There are probably exceptions, but such obviously do not hang out on the culinary forum). Anything can be cooked in any electric saucepan, the main thing is to know at least a little technique, and for this there are instructions and the Internet

Even if I don't catch up with Naka, then publish them on the forums, if every housewife uses her own. After all, if the stars light up -
means - somebody needs it? So - someone wants them to be?
For example 🔗
Who hangs out on them? Only the pros? Or young girls who just jumped out to marry, with pale skin, trembling hands, and not knowing what Capers are?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, a dispute begins for the sake of a dispute?

My opinion: Panasonic was the first to introduce a rice cooker with electronics to our markets. In the absence of choice, its use was almost elevated to a state of religion. The excitement subsides, there is a choice in technique and suddenly, lo and behold, it turns out that the same recipes can be used in different saucepans.

The question is: why nod, as at a special merit, at the presence of a huge number of recipes, as it were, for a specific technique? The same "chocolate on boiling water" can be cooked in the oven, microwave, slow cooker, simple rice cooker, pressure cooker. Meatballs with rice or lazy cabbage rolls - in the same technique, borscht (soup, broth) - in the same way.

I think that in the absence of such a choice of kitchen appliances, the number of recipes on the Internet would be the same or not much less. Women tend to exchange recipes. I remember how in the very beginning of the 90s at my work many women brought with them notebooks with recipes and gave them to rewrite.

Even I do not catch up with Nakoy, then publish them on the forums, if each housewife uses her own

In order to have a choice every day, you just forget about some dishes .. it is impossible to keep all the recipes in your head every day. For this, they write culinary books, opened the leaf through and chose a dish for today, for example from zucchini. And in what to cook it and with what deviations this is a personal matter, you can even at the stake. .. * You ask such questions that it is inconvenient to answer ... even ... *

[Rina72]

Rina72 It is simply a pity for users who will "lead" to the price, and then ooh-sighs are heard "and where is my multi milk porridge? And why does it bake baked goods?"

That is why our forum and these topics exist. Most of our first users are "led" on the price quite consciously. Alas, sellers often do not really know what they are selling (they call a simple rice cooker and a slow cooker with a buzzword). Vaughn, one of the sellers is putting up a Mule rice cooker on the site. All information:
Body material St.St. steel
* Product code: 133126
* Model: MK7001
* Manufacturer: Moulinex
* Warranty, months: 24
Specifications
Body material: St. steel

Our pioneers take the entire "informational blow" upon themselves. Even a good brand and service availability are not a guarantee of the quality of this or that technique. Is Tefal or Moulinex no name? But we will only be able to find out about their real workability if someone buys, tests and shares information.

Therefore, we send the questioners first to read the reviews of real users. And do not get hung up on only one panasik.

[Gypsy]

I'm with you, Gypsy and Rina72!!! I totally agree! You have voiced my absolute conviction that any recipe can be easily adapted to any cooking kitchen appliance! And why recipes are written - it's obvious! Cooking is the same creativity. It's like in design, as in needlework, as in art - someone has imagination, taste, inspiration, intuition, finally - and someone is completely deprived of this! And he will be glad and grateful if someone shares their ideas with him. And everyone is happy - both "young girls with pale skin", Sasha, and the culinary masters who flattered their pride.

Can I blather, and then break !!!

I have been doing great cooking in a simple rice cooker for a year. Well, there is no delay, and so the rice cooker and I are used to each other !!! And the selection criterion was the price. Here is my opinion - if there was a pre-crisis price for Panasonic, having a reliable service would be the main advantage. True, the price of a spare saucepan is almost equal to the price of Perfetsa and 2/3 of the price of Dax .... Well, Panasonic has no more advantages !!! The saucepan is like a saucepan !!! Well, it's not worth $ 150 !!! When the price for Panas returns to the pre-crisis level, then we can talk about the advantage over other multicastry wheels !!!
At one time I liked the phrase said on the forum - "buy expensive pots, and then there is nothing to put in them ..."
And the recipes - I never cook exactly according to the recipe - in the process of cooking I am tempted to add something - subtract ... Well, my nature is so ...

I have long been ripe for buying a multi, but something always prevents this purchase from making. I promised my wife to buy it by the New Year, but for now I'm studying the forums. And here's what thought came to me - If before there was nothing to study except Panas, now alternatives have appeared.I decided to opt for DEX-50, but after studying this forum, now I doubt it. The point is this - is there any point in saving about 500 hryvnia, so that later on to worry about the regimes, the temperature. It's baked there, it's not there, it's burnt out there, but here you have to add (reduce) time yourself, etc., etc. After buying a cartoon, you count on saving time and the principle: you downloaded and mustache ... Now I am tormented by doubts, can return to the option with Panasonic ... Dissuade.

500? according to my calculations, two times more. Dex 50 is about 600 UAH, and the big Panasonic is about 1800 UAH.
Honestly, I cook without ready-made recipes, most often on stewing-languishing, and there +/- 30 minutes does not really matter.
Soups, cereals, vegetable stews, biscuits, casseroles, curd puddings, steamed fish and vegetables .. Everything is being prepared calmly. For me, the main plus of Dex is the ability to put all modes on the timer except for frying and a more powerful pan that can be washed in a dishwasher.

I would be tormented between Lacuchina, Perfezza 57 and Dex 50.
Perfezza has a removable lid, lacucina has a yogurt mode (weak-weak heating), with dex you can set a lot on the timer. Panasonic would not even get here - the price is incredibly high, the saucepan is thin, with a weak coating ...

and I would also add a cuckoo to this line. If you really do not mind 1800 for a Panasonic, add a little and have a full-fledged pressure cooker with a marble sprinkled pan. And Panasonic certainly does not get here, rightly noted. And his porridge runs away just like in all cartoons, until you get used to it. And there is little discussion of its regimes just because the peak of the discussion came 3 years earlier, when they first appeared on our market.

olnk2 - 500? according to my calculations, two times more. Dex 50 is about 600 UAH, and the big Panasonic is about 1800 UAH.

In the Internet shops Panasonic is within 1200 hryvnia. And saving about 500 grams, and then complaining that the biscuit is burnt from the bottom, and opal from the top, does not make sense. The economy should be economical, but not to the same extent that it would be harmful. It is clear that any recipe can be adjusted to any CF, there would be a desire and TIME to tinker and experiment. So I bought HB a couple of years ago and I'm happy as an elephant. All I expected from her - I get. So it would be desirable with CF. It is bought not for fashion, but for business. Principle - abandoned, turned on, dumped, and in the end got what he wanted! The main modes (for me) are stewing, soup, baking. Judging by the DEX-50 forum, much needs to be adjusted to the temperature regime of this particular MB. Any copy is worse than the original, like the same modes, but the temperature is different, and setting the time yourself is not interesting. Of course, sometimes you can try, but the main (for me) criterion is “plug-in-forget-goat”.

[Vovan]

Vovan, You too literally took my words in the topic of Dex. Nothing burns anywhere. It just bakes faster than in Panasonic. Duc also cooks Deksya faster than Panasonic, not only bakes, because it is more powerful. And who told you that in Panasonic you don't need to add or subtract time? Or another cartoon? For example, I have read how many baking recipes for Panasonic, so almost everywhere it is written "put on the Baking mode for 65 + 20 minutes", that is, the standard 65 minutes of Panas is also not always enough for proper baking. Draw conclusions.
As I understand you, you need a cartoon with a number of programs somewhere in the order of 50 - for each dish separately so that it was, and no buttons like Time or Mode selection. Well, so that there is "Pasta in the Navy", "" Pasta with bolognese sauce "," Pasta with tomato sauce ", etc. So many buttons will not fit on a cartoon.
Therefore, you still need to perform at least a minimum number of actions: select a mode, decide on the amount of products and cooking time (but there is a nice bonus - the standard time for each mode, you can trust the cartoon in this regard, it's a matter of taste).
It seems to me that you want a lot from technology. She is surprisingly smart as it is. And you can easily throw food into any cartoon and forget, the whole difference is in the result.
Here, for example, I cooked borscht for the first time in a cartoon, I threw everything there according to the recipe and forgot. But you have to understand that if at the very beginning I put garlic and all sorts of spices, then all these aromas will be digested and extinguished during cooking and it will not be the same. But for the sake of experiment, I did it. And so, as expected, yes, the borsch is delicious, but it lost its aroma somewhere in the middle of cooking. And which company is multi in this situation - it doesn't matter at all. The result will be the same everywhere. Everything is stewed together and the same amount of time. Do you understand, yes? Someone likes it, someone always cooks borscht like that on the stove, but I always did it differently, and I still like the result more when flavoring ingredients are given a couple of minutes before the end of cooking. And so, the other day I was making soup in a cartoon, I abandoned everything, turned on the stewing, and added garlic and seasonings at the very end of the process. the result is indicative - my husband immediately ate two portions and said three times that the soup was very tasty, and he ate the aforementioned borscht somehow not very willingly, barely finished eating. The borsch is tasty, but on the stove it turns out better for me, because, apparently, this one was not so tasty for him.
Sorry for the many letters, I hope I clearly explained the essence of cooking in the cartoon.
Happy shopping!

Judging by the DEX-50 forum, much needs to be adjusted to the temperature regime of this particular MB. Any copy is worse than the original, like the same modes, but the temperature is different, and setting the time yourself is not interesting. Of course, sometimes you can try, but the main (for me) criterion is “plug-in-forget-goat”.

There are many recipes for Panasonic and we select them for Dex. But this does not mean that this cartoon is bad - it just cooks differently. And talking about copies and originals is too pompous. Panasonic came to our market earlier - that's the whole difference. Now there are new brands, other manufacturers. Dex's saucepan is definitely better, with a price twice lower, I am sure that in the end for the same money I got the best product with the ability to update it during operation. And pay for the name? Meaning?

Any copy is worse than the original, like the same modes, but the temperature is different, and setting the time yourself is not interesting.

Where is the copy and where is the original? First chicken, then eggs, or vice versa? The progenitor of electric rice cookers is Sony

From the Japanese, several pages of detailed recipes, suitable for any rice cooker!
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[Bravo, Lozja and lesik_l]

Bravo, Lozja and lesik_l

For me, Panasonic is not an indisputable technique. He has solid, in my opinion, shortcomings. For example, a biscuit with apples, such as I need, does not work in principle. And the biscuit "Prague" turns out to be definitely worse than in the oven (there is clearly not enough temperature). And I didn't like the curd casserole. Here "chocolate on boiling water" pleased me yesterday. But, again, I had to look closely at the cooking process. The meatballs with sauce on stewing are still tucked from the bottom with a brown (thanks not to burnt) crust. By no means did I "lay down the products, set the program and time, run it, get the result."
And I can't fry the food, that's why I use an ordinary frying pan and stove.

By the way, running into a defective Panasonic is also quite real. When our beloved ukka helped members of the forum to purchase Panasonic at a price that was at least somewhat close to reasonable, she was not too lazy to double-check all 15 multicooker. The result (if I'm wrong, she will correct it) - at least one multicooker turned out to be defective.
If, for some reason, the saucepan itself in the multicooker suddenly breaks down for me, then I will not pay for it the cost that is asked in service centers. I'd rather buy DEX.

For me, Panasonic is not an indisputable technique.

let me insert your 5 cents
for me, Panasonic is just an indisputable technique - I love it for its ease of use, for clear, high-quality instructions and of course quality. And the quality of the equipment itself and the quality of the product obtained during operation.I dream of HP Panasonic, that's how many recipes, reports on our website have looked, and more and more I was convinced that HP Panasonic bakes better than the presented mulinexes and kenwoods. I'm not talking about other brands, I compared them mainly in one category. I willingly believe that other good stoves (and the simplest ones too, not advertised) bake no worse. This is not the question.
Each of us simply chooses at a certain moment whether the bosom is ready to pay a certain amount for the "probability of failure", "percentage of reliability", etc. I do not know how to call it correctly.
When buying different equipment, I am guided by different considerations each time. Although I prefer reliable, proven quality brands.
Initially, I did not have enough money for HP Panas, but I did not want to wait - I chose, in my opinion, no less reliable HP Mulinex
I just WANTED a slow cooker! and was never disappointed. However, now I would also think 10 times whether it is worth overpaying for "reliability". Whatever one may say, and after all, Panas have powerful service centers, and the percentage of low-quality equipment is low
my food processor is Bosch. She did not save. I needed a reliable, high-quality product for many years to come. Germans are the best option
My blender is Brown. For me, this is the only manufacturer of blenders The first blender (pure German) plowed faithfully for six years - I gave it to my sister, and bought myself Brown, but a little more powerful
but the airfryer was initially determined to take the simplest and cheapest - and bought Liberton. Plows like cute. True, the glass bowl had to be changed - it burst. The quality of the glass disappoints somewhere. Tyagomotina was - I must say!
and the extremely reliable, in my opinion, Sony Erickson's mobile phone turned out to be the most terrible substandard ...
I bought a cheap, but exact copy of Brown - very happy, very happy!
I took a refrigerator, too, not cheap - electrolux, if there was a little more money and a bigger apartment - Siemens or Liebherr would take
I love such brands and such manufacturers and I agree to pay money for it
Therefore, I fully understand Vovan's position ... but of course, a refrigerator is not a multicooker. We'll have to make a choice - either buy a "kind of very reliable" Panasonic or take a chance on dex.
Moreover, there are positive reviews about this technique.

[rinishek]

rinishek +1
Vovan For all the merits of Dex, I would have thought a hundred times before buying. Lack of service Lack of at least a hypothetical opportunity to buy a spare saucepan The discrepancy in temperature and program parameters with common recipes casts doubt on all the advantages

If for a person 600 UAH - "savings in money are not very big", and everything depends on the presence or absence of service, then yes, you can ditch this very "economy" for the presence of the notorious service and the opportunity to buy a spare saucepan (they write that in Panas pots are not very good, so yes, the opportunity to buy a spare will come in handy). Although in the case of Dex, for almost the same money, you can buy a new cartoon with a new saucepan in the bargain.
Although, explain to me, you fool, what exactly is such a big plus of having a service? If suddenly something happens to your cartoon, the Panasonic service center will repair it for you, and Dex (they wrote about it here), due to the absence of this very service center, will simply change it to a new one. "What is happiness, brother?" Get back exactly your own, dear and refurbished?

I will simply keep silent about the recipes.

VovanAnd the usefulness of these two models, Panasonic and Dex, is practically the same, otherwise there would not be so many of them compared on the internet.
- In Dex there is no Milk Porridge mode, in Panasonic - there is no Frying mode (everything is fried there in Pastry for lack of Frying).
- Dex is more powerful because cooking times are shorter on some programs.
- In Dex, the saucepan is better and safer.
- In Panasonic, a double boiler is a tray, in Dex there is a stand on legs (here who likes what better).
That makes all the difference. The rest seems to be the same. Truncated.
I only have Dex, but I've already read a bunch of reviews and comparisons, and these are the conclusions.
Good luck with your choice!

Plus, there is no service as such.This is simply an indicator of the level of the manufacturer, his position in the country.

They write that there are not very many saucepans in Panas - who writes?
I have a great saucepan in Panas. It differs from dex in weight. And the cover ... Comrades, use the dex for at least a year, we'll see.
Why argue so desperately that dex is better?
Better or not better - in my opinion, in terms of functionality, they are extremely similar, but in use - you can say that dex, I can say that Panas. And that's it
I wrote about the fact that someone agrees to pay frankly for the reputation and reliability of the manufacturer, but someone does not agree. For me personally, savings of 600 UAH are not always savings. Maybe not in this particular case, but zagala. I'll think 10 times if it's worth risking this savings. In the same way, I don't risk buying cheap products. I prefer quality.
I absolutely do not pretend to be a judge "which slow cooker is better"

We didn't lash out
We're just trying to explain these things ...
Panasonic has a leading position so far simply because it was he who came to our market with a "multicooker". This doesn't make it better or worse than other electronically controlled rice cookers. He was just the only one for several years. Its price is raised by at least one and a half times (and it was three times) of the real value (at the beginning of glorious deeds, a large multicooker cost 85 USD). Yes, the service is more developed, but it also has significant drawbacks (albeit dictated by our "market" relations) - spare parts for Panasonic are incredibly expensive and if they are not available, then you can wait a very long time (I ordered myself a bucket for HP for pre-crisis 420 UAH, that is, half of what I once paid for the HP itself, I waited for the order for six months; now a scapula costs 200 UAH).

If the cuckoo was the first to come to our market and was able to advertise itself, now many would say "fairy" to any multi / rice cooker, because it is cheaper relative to the cuckoo, the saucepan is worse, the programs are inaccurate, it is difficult to set the cooking time for many dishes. If the first breakthrough had arranged the same dex, it would have been a "fairy" exactly the opposite - other electric pans themselves are expensive, and spare parts, the wrong choice of programs. All the "latecomers" would be united by the absence of a large number of tried and tested recipes adapted to the regimes.

[rinishek]

rinishek,
So I wrote in exactly the same way - I quote:

Vovan, And the usefulness of these two models, Panasonic and Dex, is practically the same, otherwise there would not be so many of them compared in the internet.

That makes all the difference. The rest seems to be the same.

Where STE I prove that Dex is better than Panasonic? In my opinion, the whole point of my messages here is precisely that they are all the same, but for completely different money. Half of the money is paid in most cases just for the brand and the best services in the country, no one argues. Well, what is cheaper, but under a less well-promoted brand, is not always worse, it simply is not a panasonic, this is its whole drawback, and that was what it was.
About saucepans, bought for sho, sell for that. I could be wrong, thanks for correcting it.

PiSi: Even if I suddenly tried to argue somewhere, then obviously not with you, rinishek, I replied to a friend's message sazalexter.

[Vovan]

I want to tell you more, no one even mentioned this

Let the non-lovers of Panas forgive me, and let the connoisseurs of healthy food throw a slipper, saying that this is nonsense, but I like one of his properties in Panas - that he low-powered... Everyone says he cooks slower because of this.

But my opinion has not changed for many years - at a higher temperature, MORE nutrients in foods die, and the LOWER the cooking temperature is, the BETTER for me, despite the fact that the process will take 5-10 minutes longer.

When he insists on eating very fried - there is a frying pan, I won't die in it to fry something, this kind of food is not for every day, my health and my loved ones are dearer to me than the passion for fried.

I don't argue with anyone who loves hotter, but faster - please - take more powerful

And further:
By and large, it is hard to kill Panas's pan with a silicone spatula, I don’t fry chopped bones there, so the pans are in good condition for the second year.

It all depends on personal preferences - for example, Panas and I are calmer, because all his programs suit me perfectly
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Personally, in my understanding - a significant drawback of Panas - a non-removable lid, it's very inconvenient to wash. But I very rarely smudge it.

And the second, which for me is not a very big drawback, it is just sometimes necessary - the impossibility of putting the Extinguishing program on a timer.

Even if I really needed such a function, I still would never give up Panasonic because of this - this is for me a BASIC multicooker, to which if I want - I will buy others, it is still hard to manage alone sometimes.

So that Vovan - it's up to you personally - to have or not to have, each will be about his own, and you decide which functions are more important to you

Ideally, Kuku 1054 beats all records, BUT:
- again - non-removable cover;
- size and weight, I will tell you, for pressure cookers - ogogo
- cost

but these disadvantages are nothing compared to its qualities and convenience

Now suffer Vovan and choose

I was here the other day talking with Foxtrot service providers. Regarding the multicooker Tefal and Mulinex, they said FUUUUUUUUUUUU .... Here you have a brand and service availability ...
I held in my hands all the multi, except for Dex, unambiguously Panasonic is lame both in coverage and design compared to Perfetsa. After all, I wanted Panasonic until I held it in my hands (at that time I had a rice cooker at home and I was comparing the coating, etc.) If I had learned about multicooker for the first time in Komfi, I would have chosen Perfetsu. And Dex is an analogue of the Morphy Richards model, popular in Europe, there are a lot of recipes and I think there will be no problems with spare parts in the near future ...

I was here the other day talking with Foxtrot service providers. Regarding the multicooker Tefal and Mulinex, they said FUUUUUUUUUUUU .... Here you have a brand and service availability ...
I held in my hands all the multi, except Dex, unambiguously Panasonic is lame both in coverage and design in comparison with Perfetsa. After all, I wanted Panasonic until I held it in my hands (at that time I had a rice cooker at home and I was comparing the coating, etc.) If I had learned about multicooker for the first time in Komfi, I would have chosen Perfetsu. And Dex is an analogue of the Morphy Richards model, popular in Europe, there are a lot of recipes and I think there will be no problems with spare parts in the near future ...

I also wrote about the popovod Tefali and Mulinexa sometime. When I bought the Mulinex combine (on my own head). So then a girl from Domotechnika told me: "If there is an opportunity, take it or change it urgently. We Tefal and Moulinex are afraid to collect ourselves. If we take (this is about a combine), then only Bosch or Philips."
So after my combine, I can't stand the name Moulinex alone.

I have another question lying around - In Panasonic, the steamer is put on from the top, and in DEKH it is put on the bottom on the legs. So - who will tell you at what height the tray is. Is it possible, as in Panasonic, to cook two dishes at once? Well, for example, stewing meat and steaming potatoes at the same time, is there enough clearance?

[Vovan]

Vovan, the steamer issue was discussed in the DEX thread. They even tried on steamers from other models. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=89830.0.

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=89830.0

[ukka]

I'm happy with Panasonic. But at the current prices, I would never buy it. I was just lucky one day to get a saucepan for the closest reasonable price in the last few years.
There are some points in Panasonic that I don't like:
1. frankly weak coating of the saucepan (I used only wooden, silicone devices, but the bottom was just scratched by dried rice).
2. restrictions on setting the time for the modes (it is impossible to set the baking time for more than 65 minutes, when "steaming" you need to run the timer to the maximum, then set the time to less than 10 minutes, etc.)
3. I am not particularly satisfied with the "baking" mode.

ukka the rights. A saucepan can change how you feel about cooking. But it can be not only Panasonic. Even a simple rice cooker with a reasonable approach will make your life much easier. Maybe the comparison is not very appropriate: here, as in drawing.For some, a simple pencil is enough to draw a portrait or landscape, someone will use pastels or watercolors.

[Multicooker Maruchi]

Here's another cute cartoon appeared, the twin sister of our Italian woman:

Multicooker Maruchi
Volume, l.
4
Colour
The black
Menu
Rus
Size (cm)
30x40x25
Power consumption (W)
860
Weight, kg)
3,75

Maruchi
RB-FC46 RW-FZ45F RW-FZ46 RW-FZ47
Volume, l. 4 4 4 4
Color Black White White White
Menu Rus Rus Eng Eng
Size (cm) 30x40x25 24x38x24 30x40x25 29x40x24
Power consumption (W) 860 700 860 860
Weight (kg) 4.3 4.3 4.3 4.3
Cooking + + + +
Accelerated cooking + + + +
Crust cooking + + + +
Pie - + + +
Yogurt - - - +
Steamed groats - + - +
Warming up - + - +
Frying - - - +
Paste - - - +
Quenching - + + +
Soup / porridge + + + +
Steam + + + +
Heating + + + +
3D heating technology - + + +
LCD display + + +
LED display + - - -
Timer + + - +
Functions of 2 timers - - + -
Cooking at a specified time - - + +
Animated menus - + - -
Autonomous clock - - + +
Product type selection - - - +
Selecting the degree of doneness + - + -
Choice of type of groats + - + +
Cooking time selection + + + +
Auto power off after 24 hours + + + +
Steam trap + + + +
Inner cover + - + +
Spoon holder + + + +
Multi-layer non-stick pan + + + +
Rice spoon + + + +
Soup spoon + - + +
Measuring cup + + + +
Steamer + + + +
Power cord + + + +
Operating instructions + + + +
Cookbook + + + +
Warranty card + + + +

Happy everyone !!!! I decided to insert my 5 kopecks (this is not an advertisement for an online store). I don't want to impose my opinion, but the quality criterion is customer demand. IMHO. I've recently been exhausted all, looking for an answer to a rhetorical question - which is better, Panasonic or DEKH. I already wrote here - it's not about money, but about the end result. Although especially reluctant to overpay. The last week and a half monitored (a fashionable buzzword) online stores, looking for an acceptable price for Panasonic and, at the same time, pondering which MV to take. According to some criteria that are important for me (the ability to cook 2 dishes at once in Panas, etc.), I decided to take Panas-18. And then the very criterion began to appear .... Yes, now there are many MVs in different price ranges. People began to think nervously - which one to choose. There are many topics, discussions, forums. But !!! As soon as the time came for the New Year, that is, gifts to yourself, friends, relatives, etc., in all Internet stores (I'm talking about Ukraine) Panasonic has abruptly disappeared from the sale - 18. On my calls, they say that everyone dare and the new P-18 will be after the New Year. But new and cheap firms for the production of CF are full of shops. And in some the operators told me - "Take DEKH (Perfez, DEU or others), otherwise we cooked them, but they almost never buy, everyone wants P-18 (sometimes P-10."
So draw your own conclusions, which is better - savings or if only it was. and then no service, no repairs, no mood. And in the end - only loss of money. Cheap is not good. Moreover, the Chinese. All the more so here in Honduras. Holiday greetings!

Let me tell you about one more factor. Now people are buying gifts for the New Year. And what did the hostess dream about six months ago and what did the ears of her beloved husband buzz about? It is about Panasonic! And now there is an elementary informational inertia. We sit here on this forum and exchange information tightly. And most of these opportunities do not have and they are looking for Panasonic. And they will buy it now for any money! In one of the stores, where the last few months small Panasonic cost about $ 100-110, and in the last two months the assortment was one of the widest, now there is no dex, no perfezza, no big Panasonic, but there is only a small panas for $ 140 ... e. and tefali with mulinex.

By the way, having once again felt the dex50, I realized why the Panasonic is better, and the worse than other multicooker, purely ergonomically. Panasonic is lighter, it has a relatively small body. But one thing I really don't like about it is the display and its location. In order to see something on this screen, you need to either put the cartoon at eye level, or bend over, which is not always convenient.