Galinaind
Thanks everyone for the clarification !!!!
At one time, I really wanted to buy a Chizhevsky chandelier ...
only my corner is rather fat. In April of this year I saw a table lamp - 3 thousand rubles at the All-Russian Exhibition Center (VDNKh) pavilion health ...

And now I became interested in the device Lumenotron
It will be necessary to see how much it costs and where it is sold in Moscow ...
aleks-g
You can talk to a representative in Moscow and if you are very interested, then Rudenko will send you the devices directly.

Moscow Russian Federation
Stanislav TEREKHOV, founder of the International Academy of Culture and Art
+7 (926) 609 7707

I have already ordered 2 sets (for myself and my parents). I am waiting for the parcel via New mail.
aleks-g
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base of the pyramid 215x215 mm
Price in Ukraine 1618 UAH; in Russia 10,000 rubles.

Pensioners - a permanent discount from 20% to 30% or the possibility of payment in installments up to 3 months!
From myself: In Dnepropetrovsk, I can bring or transfer help, since I myself have already received it within 1 day from Donetsk and worked out the delivery.
SSvetik
Girls or boys who have an old-style Bioptron Compact, please see the characteristics of the adapter, which are written on its case. We need to buy an adapter for the device, because we can't find our own.
fugaska
where to see? there is no separate adapter, an ordinary cord with a plug, it is not connected separately, but bought in the distant 90s ...

on the lamp housing this is: 100-230V ~, 50/60 Hz 56VA
SSvetik
Thank you so much. We also bought in the distant 90s, but we have an adapter. Now they are released without an adapter like yours. The service center told us to buy an adapter for it on the Savelovsky market. But we do not know its characteristics. Maybe someone has a Bioptron with an adapter?
aleks-g
We use the Lumenotron. Positive moments: all long-term non-healing acne on the face healed, the eyes are less inflamed from the computer (they also have a candle on them at home for about 15 minutes a day). The ceramic body heats up decently. But it's good. Since you can lie on the bed on your back (on a pillow), and put the device on your chest-stomach and it warms up the body well and does not get very hot from this. The body cools him! In general, a good device. Mother's knees shine - speaks a little easier. She has arthrosis.
aleks-g
Quote: SSvetik

Thank you so much. We also bought in the distant 90s, but we have an adapter. Now they are released without an adapter like yours. The service center told us to buy an adapter for it on the Savelovsky market. But we do not know its characteristics. Maybe someone has a Bioptron with an adapter?

Most likely a 12 volt step-down power supply. You need a photo of your device. Or take it to the market, craftsmen who understand the technique should pick it up. The main thing is that the plug fits, but do not burn out from the high voltage. It is also important - constant or variable output, as well as polarity!
Wit
How much nonsense has heaped up here! Well at least the topic was closed. It is surprising that people are sitting with their noses buried in the computer and are too lazy to google and read what this oil stove really is. We would have opened physics for the 8th grade and convinced that the LIGHT from ANY lamp, passing through the skin, POLARIZES!
Offhand story of a person who disassembled the bioptron and a link to the ixbt forum. Can anyone help

"... At some point, the transistor in the bioptron burst due to overheating (record on the case: H729, TOP227YN, 47177A, PHIL), the replacement did not work. Not a specialist in electronics. ”I did not want to go to the repair of the receptor, the bias towards these services affected.

The lamp lay for a year - it's high time to fix it. I searched the Internet. On the official site ( 🔗) describe the principle of operation of a conventional lamp: polychromaticity, incoherence, absence of UV rays (as if it were so simple to recreate UV rays). They talk about polarization by the Brewster method. About any special "health" impulses given by electronics not a word. I thought they were there, but this is how the board is used for rectifying with a diode bridge, transistor lowering the voltage to 12 volts, relay limiting the operating time, turning on the fan. I did not check the output signal on the oscilloscope, the board does not work, but the guess is plausible: firstly, they say nothing about the miracle of electronics, then the lamp installed in the device is a banal Osram halogen lamp model: 41835 FL, 12V, 50W. Its approximate cost is less than 10 USD, it is sold in many places. Well, it may be useful, but it is not sold as a medical device, but just as a lamp.

Now about polarization. It has already been written that there is only one hope for her. In general, who said that this polarization is necessary and useful? Maybe research what? Because the information given on the blue eye at the office. site, the cartoon about polarization fits well. They also say the truth about the life-giving power of sunlight and about the recreation of the healing properties of the latter with this particular lamp. But as far as I know, sunlight is not polarized.

I made out this polarization. 5 layers of glass plates with a thickness of about a millimeter, on the glasses with an uneven spot a colored stain (this effect really happens if you connect transparent plates), the substrate at the glass layer is made of soft rough rubber - the rubber is of high quality, good - I pulled, it stretches well, I liked it ... The polarization is completed by a beautiful, like a dinosaur comb, a copper cooler - it is placed on a rubber backing, does not press too much. Here I again reveal my ignorance, now in optics. It is claimed that this mirror heats up to 150C during operation. Can this be? The Osram light bulb reads 24 degrees (it is not clear if this is an angle or temperature). In any case, the temperature is declared to be quite high, and the cooling method is in doubt - there is no pressure on the cooler, the rubber does not look like heat-resistant rubber.

Photos:

 Zepter lamp - worth buying or not?

 Zepter lamp - worth buying or not?

In the bottom line, the benefits of the lamp are exceptional. Because it's a vile tediousness to dig into the lamp device. The guys secured themselves by honestly declaring (in a beautiful intricate style) that this is just a lamp with polarization, that it stimulates and nothing more. On my own I will add that it stimulates the brain and not with light. The target audience is wide - all sorts of bored fools. Give more fools to the masses! A woman should be like that. They would love us being smart.

And further. Many people underestimate the placebo effect. Compare pacifiers with vitamins. In fact, the placebo effect is incredible and can overlap any drug thousands of times. Faith is amazingly powerful.

I'll put a 12-volt transformer into the lamp and say nothing. Let the family use it, rejoice ... "

fronya40
my daughter was discharged after the operation - plastic ligaments. They were assigned to go to UHF. Not only that, walking is from the 5th floor back there without an elevator on crutches - a week after the operation, I came to the clinic - green melancholy, UHF since the revolution ... so I thought - can a bioptron replace it with UHF? and Vit is here to smithereens .... although no one has seen these miracle machines in the clinic in an untwisted form .. but I don’t want a placebo either. and even in the clinic they say, take off all the metal, but she is so metal in my leg, and she, oh, so you can't ... and what to do?
simfira
My grandfather took to his bed and we, having no experience in caring for bedridden, looked through the bedsores. As long as we did not treat them, nothing helped, they only intensified. They gave us a lamp and after two days it was much better. The wounds dried up and began to heal. Everything healed. I had no more experience of communicating with her, although I myself think about her when children have colds.
Admin

I deleted my post, so as not to confuse those who believe in this device, and those who do not.
May everyone be healthy and happy

Melanyushka
I support the opinion of Admin completely. When I was first offered to try this lamp, I was also quite skeptical about it, and did not refuse to try it just out of politeness, completely not believing in the benefit of this device. The stronger was my surprise when I saw the result! After that, I bought this device myself and use it to this day, I take great care of my lamp, because I see a real benefit. There was no effect from an ordinary flashlight (as Wit assures that it is the same), they checked at one time, also trying to figure out and understand what actually has a healing effect in this lamp.
fronya40
Thank you girls. I'll try a miracle lamp, I'll tell you.
Reading you, I remembered my story ... how I also did not believe. 5 years ago, a dog bit me on the nose - tore me in half. Naturally, I was shocked, and I did not want to live at all. The next day, my sister came running, all sobbing from this event and handed me some kind of bag, there were capsules of Chitosan, in my opinion, from the Tien-shi company, I was freaked out, like, and so it sucks - and you also poke all kinds of crap. In general, I was hysterical and in a panic. first I sprinkled the wounds on my hands (there are two lacerated), in the morning I got up, and the wounds healed and very much, well, somewhere if it was somewhere 5 cm, then it became 3, and it looks so dry. My daughter is a schoolgirl then, she washed my nose with peroxide and covered it with this powder. The wound healed very quickly, the nose "stuck together", and a smooth groove remained. When I came to plastic. To the surgeon, he was very surprised that such a good scar and told him everything, he says, I don't know what you put there, but that the effect is excellent, Thank God. And how she didn’t want to sprinkle and how she didn’t believe and spat and screamed and kicked ... Well, then they did an operation, there is no scar at all, but as the doctor said later, it’s good that no one sewed your nose.
azaliya
Good afternoon, everyone)) I am skeptical, but when my husband had an accident, our friends suggested that we try the lamp, there were wounds on the head and leg (and there were stitches here and there), we warmed the wounds every day and I could not believe my eyes, when the wounds began to heal. There was a feeling that it was directly visible how the wound was tightening, literally in a few days the inflammation passed. After that, we also bought a bioptron and not only him))) It also helped my nephew to avoid the operation, I do not remember the exact diagnosis, (there was something on the neck) he was already in the hospital and they wanted to operate on him, I drove a lamp for him every day to warm up and thank God everything passed. The doctors were surprised, but everyone makes their own choice)) I forgot to write about herpes on my lips, before this infection often visited my husband. Now, if the itching begins immediately to the lamp and pah-pah)) So who has the same problem, the bioptron is irreplaceable))
Melanyushka
Barley on the eye, herpes on the lips - it generally goes away in a day. Bruises, small wounds, scratches, runny nose ... - this often happens to everyone, here the bioptron helps perfectly and quickly. Checked repeatedly on myself and my loved ones. I did not go into the details of the design of this lamp, but if it really helps and is not at all like a placebo, it can and should be used. IMHO.
xoxotyshka
Good day. I accidentally saw this topic and remembered that I also have such a device. I didn't really believe in him, but after reading your reviews, I think let me try. I shone a little sore on my chin, nose, because it sniffs. True, quite a bit, but then I'll do it again. I have a question, did anyone buy light filters for it? We have yellow in the kit.
Melanyushka
I have not even heard that there are any additional filters, I have a yellow light.
xoxotyshka
A set of six glass filters includes red, orange, yellow, green, blue and purple filters. All of them are made in a special way, so that their properties are as close as possible to the natural sources of these flowers.In addition to being hand-made by highly skilled craftsmen, the filters are also enriched with bioinformation. Using biophysical methods and special equipment, the Institute for Bioinformation in Zurich has developed highly structured samples of reconstructive information. These samples were obtained from plants, precious stones, metals, minerals and trace elements, as well as inert gases, enzymes, etc.
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Yellow: strengthens, tones, revitalizes, stimulates without excitement, increases energy reserves in the body, enhances sluggish processes, weakens excessive rigidity, strengthens the nerves.
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From the site about Bioptron. 🔗*** ptron. Remove the asterisks.
Wit
Why not follow a good example? I am deleting my post too. I send future questioners to the already mentioned forum
🔗.
Here are specialists with their heads and brains on. Let them explain to them. And the assistant professor's advice ... He's right. If it helps, take it and use it. For what money you want. No pity. They are strangers.
And there is still some benefit from our screaming and spitting with Roma. At least someone realized that this "miracle" is not a panacea, but just an auxiliary remedy ... for 20,000 rubles (The lumenotron is several times cheaper, but heals the same way. Because the principle is the same). And the associate professors were disturbed. I am sure that the docent nevertheless warned (I really hope so!) That before turning on something for treatment, consult with a doctor. Only in this case will you be insured against the post below from one of the forums:
"... Not all yoghurts are equally useful. In order to determine the appropriateness of the procedure, you need to contact an intelligent doctor, and oddly enough, not to a physiotherapist, because the latter will tell someone you love. Or at least superficially understand the principle of the device: shines- irritates, stimulates the proliferation (growth and division) of cells. My friends shone "lichen" when after the procedures the affected area began to increase, they sounded the alarm - there was squamous cell skin cancer.
My opinion: it is categorically not recommended to have on the farm, let alone shine on them for any reason. It will be necessary - go to the clinic.
And now Zepters and happy owners of devices with stories of healing and foaming at the mouth will swoop in on me, that the harm has not been proven ... "

Good health to all!
I also leave this topic.
Admin
Eco, you've got it!
It turns out that so "my opinion is more to the right, and the rest are all under the benches" ...
Wit
Quote: Admin

Eco, you've got it!
Yes, not a bit!
And you can't fool people with all sorts of bullshit about flashlights for a hundred rubles with a zepter sticker for 20,000
Wit
Quote: Admin


It turns out that so "my opinion is more to the right, and the rest are all under the benches" ...
It turns out! I then go number two. And you muddied up with your spitting
fronya40
So, after reading all the clever and clever men, I called the doctor who operated on my child. and asked what to do? and this is what he said, this is not a panacea, but what really helps is the truth. so it says there is a thing, use it. so she turned on the brains on the advice of Wit and tomorrow they will bring me. By the way, the doctor is a young 35 year old associate professor. so that's it. I will not sculpt roses, so as not to offend anyone.

p-it is clear that the lamp is of secondary importance, nevertheless it was included in the list of physiotherapy procedures necessary for recovery. no one even said that only a lamp should be applied, there is still a bag of lek-in attached ...
Melanyushka
Quote: fronya40

and this is what he said, this is not a panacea, but what really helps is the truth. so it says there is a thing, use it.
By the way, the doctor is a young 35 year old associate professor.
Well, here's another tip - the opinion of the doctor. Yes, not a panacea, but it helps! And it is not necessary, Vit, to attack the Admin, in this topic we just express our personal opinion about the device based on own experience using Bioptron, no one is engaged in propaganda and does not impose the purchase of this lamp on anyone. But from your messages a specific negative comes, for some reason you really want absolutely EVERYONE to agree with your personal negative opinion about this device and stop using it as soon as possible after reading a very dubious review of some eccentric from the Internet, who really did not understand the design of this device, because "...I dug into the board, almost drew a diagram from it, but I never left it because I wasn’t special in electronics ...", I broke the device, I could not assemble it as it should, I didn’t have enough brains, along the way I called everyone in order to seem smarter: "...The target audience is wide - all sorts of bored fools. Give more fools to the masses! A woman should be like that ... I'll stick a 12-volt transformer into a lamp and say nothing. Let the family use it, rejoice..“And you consider this an absolutely competent review of Bioptron? I do not invite you to a discussion, I will not enter into a skirmish, I expressed my opinion.
Here, in the posts above, there are still a lot of positive reviews from those whom this lamp really helps, as well as those to whom it did not fit, but no one imposes their opinion on anyone in a harsh form. The Admin message was written in a completely correct form and in essence, it was completely in vain that she deleted it. Let's respect each other's opinions.
fronya40
it is yes. and the unbelieving Thomas, do you know when he still lived ?! I also said - I don't believe and that's it, I just don't believe
Wit
Quote: Melanyushka


"... I'll put a 12-volt transformer into the lamp and won't say anything. Let my family use it, please.

And how did I miss this? ...
Dear Melanyushka! Yes, I brought this post just to make people doubt this "miracle" and google it. There are a lot of reviews, including competent ones. I gave one link to ixbit. There are many specialists, amateurs, and outspoken laymen. But you can figure it out. Yes, at least the beginning of this thread can be read.
I am very sorry that you have formed the opinion that I "... for some reason really want absolutely EVERYONE to agree with your personal negative opinion about this device and stop using it as soon as possible ..." I respect any opinion of any person, except for the categorical. I strongly opposed peremptory opinions that this lamp is a "miracle". This is nonsense ... (I won't write an adjective) !!! Nobody canceled light therapy. And there are a lot of lamps of this purpose that give the same effect. Only the cost of such lamps is several times, or even ten times lower than this "zepterchud". There is nothing unique about this lamp!
Wit
Quote: fronya40

it is yes. and the unbelieving Thomas, do you know when he still lived ?! I also said - I don’t believe it and that's it, I just don’t believe it
With you "believer" there is nothing to discuss. Perhaps the quotation is enough:
"One little Thumbelina was presented with shoes of size 48 ... And they fit her because she believed!"
Admin
Quote: Wit

With you "believer" there is nothing to discuss. Perhaps the quotation is enough:
"One little Thumbelina was presented with shoes of size 48 ... And they fit her because she believed!"

This will not work, dear!

I thought that you just got nasty on me, because of great love or dislike for my person, and you went further already

Privatized the topic with their dubious quotes, links, consider yourself an expert and right in everything, and consider it still possible to be rude to everyone

This is overkill! I recommend stopping on time!
SSvetik
Vit, I am amazed why, without having a device, you criticize him like that? I myself was the same as you, unbelieving Thomas. And when my mother-in-law bought Bioptron for that kind of money, I involuntarily twisted it at my temple. But as soon as I tried to apply it several times, I realized that I needed it.
Yes, this is probably not a panacea for all diseases, but the fact that it helps cure me and my family is quite fine with me. Anyone who has ever encountered herpes will understand how not aesthetically pleasing and very annoying. So he copes with him with a bang without any ointments. And if he still popped out with ointments, then using a lamp at the first symptoms, he would not come out at all. Wounds, pustules are also his strong point. Runny nose - with a bang. Cough - no problem. Other diseases were not treated. We don't have them. Maybe cheaper analogs help in the same way - I don't know. Therefore, I do not criticize them and do not suggest that someone should acquire them.
I believe that you can talk about the device only when you have it yourself. If you do not need to, then skip the topic and do not mislead people. Better yet, find a person from your environment who could give you a try to use it, and then, I think, your opinion will change. My husband gives many people to use the Bioptron for health problems. So some, the same unbelievers like you, do not even try to use it in order to at least have an idea. He will lie down, lie down, not even unpacked, and they say: "What can a simple lamp do?" And to try to warm up is lazy.
Health to all!
Wit
Quote: Admin



I thought that you just got nasty on me, because of great love or dislike for my person, and you went further already

Privatized the topic with their dubious quotes, links, consider yourself an expert and right in everything, and consider it still possible to be rude to everyone
Actually, I really respond to rudeness with the same rudeness. I struggle with this, but it does not always work out. I will not assess your tone about links and quotes, "privatized" topics.
Suslya
Quote: Wit

Good health to all!
I also leave this topic.

🔗
Wit
SSvetik, well, I will try to explain it more clearly. I, as you put it, do not criticize myself device. Here, if you read it carefully. And the erection of this lamp into a miracle-working healer in a unique way. That there are nowhere more such magic lamps as a bioptron and it is worth buying it even for such an incredible price. The lamp itself is due to such an attitude towards it, which is called "falling under the distribution." Although the device itself is not to blame, I read the entire thread. I especially liked the second page and the funny case in the answer about a dog who suddenly howled when this lamp was turned on. There, after all, people also express opposite opinions. Yes, I finally don't have any lamp, but I have close relatives. I therefore did not mention that enough had been said about this lamp, especially about the cost. Now I’ll tell you. My cousin's mother bought a lamp, and my brother bought a Vitafon or something like that - a day. A gift to her. Needless to say, what helped? Both devices. The cost is just different. And I treated my knee with a laser in the clinic. It helped.
SSvetik, is it clear now what am I attacking like that? Not on the lamp itself (she's not to blame), but on the lies about her omnipotence and irreplaceability.... And I was interested in the doctors' opinion. But to say: "But the doctor told me that ..." would also not be correct, without reference to his surname and the opportunity to ask him again. But the fact that any the doctor will strongly recommend using the lamp only after consulting a specialist doctor - I have no doubt.
If you still have a problem with the adapter, then please contact the forum, the link to which I gave. There really will help. I think this is a simple rectifier. Just specify the name of the lamp. I will repeat the link: https: //Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/s-image/545/post.cgi? Id = print: 47: 8702 & page = 2.
Good luck and good health!
Wit
And I didn't want to offend anyone. Including you, Admin! And if this happened, then I beg your pardon. I'm leaving the topic (damn ..., for the umpteenth time ?!)
Melanyushka
Vit, we all heard your opinion about Bioptron, along the way received a lot of negative feedback from you. Here it seems that all people are adults, quite adequate and will be able to independently figure out what to buy, for what purpose and when. Enough already to teach members of the forum in such a categorical form, what is good for them and what is bad.
Quote: Wit

I'm leaving the topic (damn ..., for the umpteenth time ?!)
And all the best to you, health and prosperity!
fronya40
because of you, Vit, I don’t want to read the topic ... but I came in anyway, I thought maybe someone wrote something sensible and smart, and not your conclusions ... but no, you have already scribbled it, and managed to edit it. Or maybe you're just bored? about what I wrote, what the doctor told me, it’s not true, I even came back, what I wrote there, the doctor said that it’s NOT a PANACEA, BUT REALLY HELPS. doctor Naumenko, Dnepropetrovsk regional hospital. Yesterday my daughter was bandaging the same thing another doctor said, but I don't know his last name You remind me - when in the minibus three aunts are arguing about politics, and the man became bored and he also climbs in and shouts, do not speak correctly, so I heard the opposite on TV ... I also re-read the whole Temka and never saw what they wrote that a lamp for all diseases. I then called it a miracle lamp, purely out of habit, a miracle pan, a miracle pan, not having in mind the magical properties of these things.
Summer resident
From personal experience. Bioptron is not a panacea, but it really helps with various inflammatory processes and pain syndromes.
SerjZ
bought this lamp and used it for a while, then something burned out, there was no time to buy a new one. They remembered that there was somewhere an ordinary Soviet violet lamp, one with a hemispherical reflector. Found, began to use in the same cases as the zepter - to treat a runny nose, throat, all sorts of colds, herpes - the effect is the same as from the zepter
Za-za
We have had such a lamp for over 5 years already. Children candle her constantly. FROM scratches to coughs and more serious. She can remove any runny nose in 1-2 days. If you shine 2 peaks every 1-2 hours. The thing is very necessary and irreplaceable. There are practically no pills in the medicine cabinet
fronya40
Quote: SerjZ

bought this lamp and used it for a while, then something burned out, there was no time to buy a new one. They remembered that there was somewhere an ordinary Soviet violet lamp, one with a hemispherical reflector. Found, began to use in the same cases as the zepter - to treat a runny nose, throat, all sorts of colds, herpes - the effect is the same as from the zepter

I want to put in my word - you don't have to warm a runny nose at all and it happens on the third day ...

but my daughter's broken leg, yes, we shone, though irregularly (after the operation) - healed quickly.
Alexey55
Alexey55
Quote: Wit
(The lumenotron costs several times cheaper, but heals in the same way. Because the principle is the same)
The lumetron is cheaper and more effective, so much has been written about it (patented as a medical device), and the bioptron is only polarized light and helps like ordinary light therapy ..
Olihka
A lamp is simply an irreplaceable helper in our family. And whoever responds negatively, he simply did not see this lamp in his eyes and continue to be treated with an ordinary Soviet purple lamp. You just need to carefully read the instructions and recommendations for the lamp and apply it correctly. I wish you all great health !!!!
Wit
Quote: Olihka
And who responds negatively, he simply did not see this lamp in his eyes
They saw, twisted, disassembled reviews and read (go to the "trunk" - there the specialists took it apart by the bones. It treats the same way as the Soviet violet. The lamp does not write. In the certificate - "... can be used for medicinal purposes ..." And no miracles. Not a single clinic where these lamps were tested for their MIRACLE properties was not noted. This lamp has only one miracle - her price! And read the instructions in the original Zepter, and not in the translation of the local monitors.
Zepter products are of high quality. But that's all. And its prices are adequate, but THERE. And we do not have Zepter, but it would be more correct to write Zepter selling Zepter goods. And the prices are set by the chain.
Sima
WitThank you so much for the information.
What I needed to know.
In the morning I opened a package of "Cepast 10", and there it was pasted over the jar-bubble ... For a minute today, 05/14/16! Costs 1400.00r. I can only be fooled once
 Zepter lamp - worth buying or not?

 Zepter lamp - worth buying or not?
Well, I think she persuaded herself not to drink vitamins from the pharmacy. Why flooded into the office, why, grinning there listening to them. I can sell many things myself and will conduct sales training. That is why I am not fooled by persuasion, but here I convinced myself that it was necessary to accept something in the spring
I went, as usual, to look for the Zepter on my own HP.
About herpes and so on, I have darsonval, and mothers treated us with lamps, that is, nothing new. Only I am sure that you cannot buy anything without consulting a doctor. They shone on me with a miracle device, someone else I got sick after that ... Probably my body is bad for expensive treatment
I know about the interest of certain donors (there are also different acquaintances).
Thank God, I am lucky to have honest doctors, dedicated to their work and very respected by us.

This is just gratitude to Vitaly and that's it!
I do not want to offend or hurt anyone with my emotions; I myself do not spend my life on offenses at all.
All health and a lot of positive!
Today I will joke all day about how I spread myself for money

kavmins
I haven't used this lamp for a long time, but there was a case when I seriously injured my leg and my husband brought this lamp to help with recovery. note that the wound healed pretty quickly, and no scar was formed

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